They don't want us to have a choice over death do they?

[Hunnymonster1]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2lyl8jrvlo.amp

This is so bloody annoying why are we so backward compared to other countries? Other countries have this sorted like america.In some states, belgium, holland, Switzerland.
They are not gonna allow this to happen are they? Which means the rich will go and pay dignitas and the poor will suffer. I am starting to get so annoyed by the mps of this country
Am I being unreasonable into thinking that they are backwards and should have given maybe the British public a referendum on a subject matter so important to individual people. If not a ref why is our country so backwards

Oh, come on! I am absolutely fed up with people that are pro-choice when it comes to AD being characterised as selfish or stupid. It's not selfish to be a proponent of choice and autonomy. Polls have shown time and again that most people in the country support AD and this is presumably because they want the option available either to themselves or their loved ones. If you are fighting for AD to be legalised then you are fighting for what the majority of people want so it is an absolute stretch to call this selfish. We live in a democracy and this has to count for something.

If we are to call proponents of AD selfish, then all the disabled and vulnerable people that are fighting against AD are also being 'selfish'. They perceive a risk to themselves from the introduction of this law and are determined to prevent AD being legalised even though the majority of the population want it implemented. Once again, there is a huge element of people fighting for their own interests (in the same way as those that are pro AD are doing the same). This is human nature and I don't understand why we pretend that those who are anti AD don't have a massive vested interest in keeping it banned.

The lack of AD at the moment is causing suffering at the moment. Talk all you want of the perfect healthcare system and excellent palliative care, in the real world, right now, people are dying in agony because we don't have AD. By trying to block the introduction of AD you are supporting this situation to continue. This is a apparently a reasonable price to pay though in order to avoid an unspecified number of people (we literally have no idea how many) potentially choosing AD when they 'should' be choosing to live instead. Those who are anti AD tell us over and over again that people will wrongly opt for AD as though they are in a superior position to decide what's best for people and that life is always better than death. Talk about pushing your value system onto everyone else and expecting us to be grateful for protecting us from ourselves and we are call selfish!!!

This A.D. Is already been misused in Canada to save money.

As Canada expands its euthanasia regime, vulnerable people like the homeless, obese and grieving are increasingly offered assisted suicide, countering claims that “safeguards” ensure the protocol remains limited in its scope.

Important to include stats here and wider context. No system will be perfect and this is no reason we can't learn from Canada to tighten up rules to avoid some of these situations.

Is there any published detail about how the law will be framed? A white paper or anything? I may have missed it

Excellent post. 👏👏

I agree with you the only thing i fear about is the misuse as I'm sure we all know everything comes back to money.

But everything does come down to money. For the last 50 years we've voted for Governments that have allowed capitalism to run rampant. The last 14 years have left the country in a mess and short of borrowing even more (kicking the can further down the road) the amount of money available to the NHS and care is going to limited. Short of making people totally financially responsible for their own care (which I expect to see by the time I retire) the situation is only going to get worse. So why shouldn't people be able to choose a time of their death for financial reasons?

Nobody is 'withdrawing food and water' from anyone.

Patients who are dying generally stop eating and drinking. It's a natural part of the dying process.

Hmmm if we look at the equality act and how it badly needs some parts defining and some other acts (as a btw, anyone read the covid act? I have and its terribly badly written) also could do with definitions. Without these definitions, things are being taken from such acts that were never intended.

So I can imagine another badly written act for assisted dying will be tested to the very limits in court. As each person using it will want their own situation covered. Thence setting a precedent for others to follow.

I'm not in fact against such a law, I just want safeguards for vulnerable people.
And then I cant think of decent enough safeguards to prevent all vulnerable people. Also how to prevent the mission creep.

This ^

It actually increases pain, discomfort, nausea and infection risk if a person is given nutrition and fluids that their body can't process. This is why the body ensures a slow decline in which the person stops wanting to drink or eat. It can be shocking for people who aren't hcp's to see this, but is a natural process. Please don't be alarmed if your dying loved ones do this or the staff don't feed or push fluids into them. They should always offer fluids or a moistened sponge of course.

Not sure how true this is "Justin Trudeau’s government has begun euthanizing Canadian citizens suffering from severe injuries linked to the COVID vaccines—the same vaccines that his administration mandated and coerced the majority of the population to take

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Here’s a link that you may find interesting
https://rumble.com/v5kbo8t-canada-to-begin-euthanizing-millions-of-covid-vaccine-injured-citizens.html

lol ridiculous!!

It's a bit of a reach to express it like that but there is a report of euthanasia due to vaccine injury here https://nationalpost.com/health/ontario-man-euthanasia-post-covid-19-vaccination-syndrome

I'm sorry but you're wrong - the day before my husband died my teenage daughter was shouted at by one of the nurses for putting a straw in my husband's mouth so he could have a drink if he wanted one.

Surely an unusual case which is why it made the papers? All the extreme cases do. Belgiums first euthanasia of a child, holding a Dutch patient down who had dementia, euthanising an otherwise healthy patient with depression. Assisted suicide for someone who had tinnitus. The thousands of terminal cancer patients who chose to have a quicker death of their choosing aren’t controversial and therefore not interesting enough to write about.

What a strange take. I wonder, would you be able to quantify how many of these 'unusual cases' you would be prepared to accept for each cancer patient who is able to opt for AD?
For example, if you had a child with depression, or vaccine injury, and you hoped that they might be cured or improve enough to want to live in the future, how many cancer patients would need to benefit from AD in order for you to think it a reasonable trade off for your child selecting to die.

That's because of what giving food and water to someone who is dying can cause unbearable pain.
An end of life care nurse explained the process on here a few years ago

Which explains why people are saying that food and water are being withdrawn.

But NHS rules say a patient must have water on their nightstand, so people are dying thirsty, able to see water but not reach it; and imo thats a form of torture.

If they're using the syringe driver with the correct doses of medications then people won't be feeling the discomfort of not drinking. But that doesn't appear to be happening now. Also, a state of dehydration can increase endorphin levels which helps to relieve pain and discomfort. If the patient is asking for a drink though they should be offered some appropriate fluid or at least moisture if they're unable to swallow. They shouldn't be given excessive amounts of fluids because this can exacerbate terminal agitation and discomfort. It's a balancing act really.

FGS
It's takeaway if it's going to harm the patient- if they are NBM/ unconscious/ dying

Taken away
Why are people so ott

IDK, maybe its because they are talking as a result of an upsetting experience.

It's not OTT. People are talking about life and death here.