They don't want us to have a choice over death do they?

[Hunnymonster1]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2lyl8jrvlo.amp

This is so bloody annoying why are we so backward compared to other countries? Other countries have this sorted like america.In some states, belgium, holland, Switzerland.
They are not gonna allow this to happen are they? Which means the rich will go and pay dignitas and the poor will suffer. I am starting to get so annoyed by the mps of this country
Am I being unreasonable into thinking that they are backwards and should have given maybe the British public a referendum on a subject matter so important to individual people. If not a ref why is our country so backwards

@Candaceowens its abhorrent not to let people in absolute agony to choose to end their lives with dignity.

@MontySaucy did you not read the part about the nerves being constantly fired with pain 24 hours a day and he could feel it but not move, you’ve cherry picked one part of it, I think you may have skim read the article.

@MrsSchrute but anyone saying you can’t make a law based on one person is missing the bigger picture, which is for all this dithering and what ifs, people will end life in a torturous way.

I hope none of you end in that way, you will feel differently I’m sure. Watching a loved one suffering at the end is one type of hell, it’s quite another when no medical intervention will help when death is coming.

Noone has the right to determine what meaning I give to my life or how I understand quality of life for me. It is selfish for people to impose their views and beliefs on me. I have experienced severe illness and know what it is like to suffer and should that suffering have continued I would have welcomed a peaceful death. I am not frightened of death but I am frightened of the process of dying particularly given the current attitudes towards the dying. Palliative care may support some but it doesn't support others as I have witnessed in my own family.

I also watched, Better off dead, it was one of the most upsetting things ive ever seen. Canada has safe guards in place but after watching this it seems people still slip through.
I also have watched both my parents and husband pass away from cancer, not pleasant, but when pain is kept under control those last few weeks for me were so important to ask questions no one wants to ask.
I was on the fence until i watched that programme, im very much against it now.

I just want to know who is going to do the killing??

This is really interesting to me. Are you able to say when or why things changed? And are there any positives of how things are now compared to your work 20 years ago?

Because it won't be something you can force Drs in to. Will be other personnel.

@cookiebee can you explain to me what exactly is dignified about it? I can't think of anything less dignified than being put down like an animal.

If we bring this in, it won’t be long before people begin to make legal challenges to include MH and non-terminal illnesses. Nobody should be choosing death because they’re depressed or have ptsd as happens in Europe all the fucking time.

@Flowers4me I completely agree. Quality of life is so much more important than quantity. I watched my dad die slowly and painfully of end stage COPD. Gasping for every breath with absolutely no hope of recovery. Watched my nan die slowly over the course of a week having had no food or water in that time knowing the massive brain haemorrhage she suffered was irreversible and she wouldn’t get better.

If you’re happy to spend goodness knows how much time in a care home, wearing a nappy and sitting in your own urine and faeces until someone changes you then that’s fine. If you don’t mind ending your days in pain with no chance of getting better then that’s fine too. But I don’t want that, I want to decide when I’ve had enough and end my life on my terms. Why should anyone else get a say over how I view my quality of life.

I'm not involved in palliative care but I imagine a lot of things were changed after Shipman was convicted. Wasn't that one of the outcomes of the enquiry after the criminal case?

Exactly this!

Also watched my father die and it wasn’t peaceful although thankfully was over a fairly short time.

Of course there need to be safeguards in place

Have you watched someone you love die a slow and painful death?

@Candaceowens My dad pretty much suffocated to death over the course of a few days. He died scared and in a great deal of distress. On the other hand, my elderly dog went to the vets and was put to sleep peacefully. He died quietly and quickly in my arms surrounded by family who he loved and who loved him. Who do you think out of those two had a better ending?

Yes. And I stayed with them until the end. Not once did I think "I wish I could just kill you".

You can't compare deaths, what good does that do? But surely your dad was also surrounded by family who loved him?

@Candaceowens of course you can compare deaths. One was brutal and distressing for all involved, the other a peaceful and painless passing. And yes, we were all with my dad when he died. I will never forget the look in his eyes as he struggled for every breath. Not the look on my mum’s face watching her husband of 56 years die in such an awful way.

@cookiebee you are a very disturbed individual

It’s definitely not @cookiebee who is the disturbed individual.

I would like to see protections such as "you cannot pass inheritance onto anyone of you choose this option"

So your estate goes to the Crown? That just creates a motivation for the Govt to coerce you into suicide instead.

Watching a loved one suffering at the end is one type of hell, it’s quite another when no medical intervention will help when death is coming.

As I have said several.times. I have experience of this. I had to wipe my own dads arse and reattach his catheter. I provided palliative catr until he died and 2 days after the funeral I had to start caring for my mum who died a month later. You still won't accept that my opinion is my opinion.

Thank you for taking the time to say that, I appreciate it. Your experience is exactly why this is so important and a choice we should have. Your father like many didn’t die surrounded by family in the sort of dream like scenario people imagine, he also had to watch their horror through his pain whilst suffering, he like many of our family who’ve died this way and our potential future ends want the dignity of choice, I’m sorry you went through that also.

I agree with Liz Carr, it’s a slippery slope. Every country that has legalised it has gone on to abuse it for eugenics or cost savings on benefits to the disabled.

It can’t be a referendum, because the abuse affects a vulnerable minority and most people vote selfishly.

So someone who watched their father die suffering gets your sympathy because they shate the same opinion as you. Whereas I watched both parents die suffering and because I don't share the same opinion as you I'm 'abhorrent'

Every country that has legalised it has gone on to abuse it for eugenics or cost savings on benefits to the disabled.

⬆️⬆️ THIS with bells on.

Humans are being human, imperfect and capable of the most horrible things when it suits them. You just have to look at news.

And the phenomenon of the ‘boiled frog’ is well known.
First it’s AD for the very terminally ill that would die very soon.
Then it’s for the terminally ill in general.
Then those who won’t get cured. That’s where anything and everything can happen. But by that stage, no one will say NO to AD because it’s become normal.