They don't want us to have a choice over death do they?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2lyl8jrvlo.amp

This is so bloody annoying why are we so backward compared to other countries? Other countries have this sorted like america.In some states, belgium, holland, Switzerland.
They are not gonna allow this to happen are they? Which means the rich will go and pay dignitas and the poor will suffer. I am starting to get so annoyed by the mps of this country
Am I being unreasonable into thinking that they are backwards and should have given maybe the British public a referendum on a subject matter so important to individual people. If not a ref why is our country so backwards

I feel like that too. I grew up in rented accommodation, I would like the home I own to go to my children, hopefully enabling them to buy themselves. I’ve worked in care homes and even when it is nice, the food is good, the staff are kind and caring it’s not somewhere I would like to be a resident.

My only exception with abortion would be life of the mother. I can't say there are any circumstances where I would agree with AD.

Rape?
Baby with condition not compatible with life?

Isn't the argument for abortion that the baby isn't alive? So it's a different thing?

But fyi, I am pro life.

I find all of you against assisted suicide and abortion selfish and abhorrent!

I'm pro choice...I don't think that the fetus isn't alive..I think it's alive purely because of the woman who is pregnant. It cannot live independently of that woman in the early stages.

Why?

So there isn't an equivalence between the two, and it is perfectly possible to be pro abortion, and against AD.

Because you’re happy for people to suffer horrendously!

I don't like the term pro abortion...I prefer pro choice but yes I am and I'm also against AD.

My parents suffered horrendously and I still don't think it's ok to have murdered them instead.

MURDERED! You obviously have no understanding of assisted suicide.

I don't think that anyone is happy for people to suffer horrendously! That is a very emotive argument.
It is an incredibly complex question, with no simple answer. With or without assisted dying, people will suffer, that is inevitable. The question is, which will result in the least suffering, and which is least open to abuse.
In my opinion, that is to say no to assisted dying.

I have done almost 20 years in palliative care and am very very very much pro assisted dying, because sometimes no matter what we do, we cannot take the pain away. There has been changes in practice now too. It used to be "if you can't take the pain away from the patient, take the patient away from the pain" but things are much much more stringent now, and everything is about covering yourself.

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Then I am awful.

I cared for both of my parents. It was horrific. So yes i have actually been in a situation twice, watching a loved one struggle. I am still against AD. I'm sorry you think your opinion is the only one that matters.

And yes, helping someone die in any way would otherwise be known as murder.

Ridiculous post

I haven't read the article, but it sounds like that poor man had to endure more than I could imagine.
But you don't make a law for an entire country on the basis of one person. You have to consider how that change of legislation would affect people in all different situations across the country, and what unintended consequences such a law could have.
It is my opinion that making assisted dying legal would have the unintended consequence of vulnerable people being coerced into dying, of people feeling an obligation to seek this so they don't become a burden, of it being used as a cost saving measure etc. For this reason, I am against it.
I don't believe that makes me an awful person.

You disagree, and you are absolutely entitled to your opinion.

The article states Sometimes he said that he wanted to live, at other times that he would prefer to die.

He also said he wanted to die because of how he looked - would time have helped the injuries heal to a more normal looking state?
He was paralysed but applied for euthanasia after he was told he needed intubating and he didn't want to be unable to speak to his dad. Would advancements in technology have helped? Would therapy? Would antidepressants? Different care?

Stephen Hawking lived a fulfilling life after his health deteriorated. I personally know of an artist paralysed from the neck down who paints amazing pictures using his mouth.

All life has meaning and how many people in the pits of despair would ask for euthanasia with no idea if things would actually get better. Palliative care should be better but even then I don't agree with helping people die before their time

I cannot understand why anyone would be against allowing a terminally ill person, with mental capacity, to choose assisted dying.

I accept there are risks of people feeling pressured into it, eg by greedy relatives or the state (Canada is not helping here). I still think it is better to live with that (and of course put safeguards in place against such pressure having any effect) than force 100s of people to suffer when they don’t want to carry on.

Denying assisted dying to the terminally ill will not only cause unnecessary suffering. It will lead to some people ending their own lives earlier than necessary, perhaps in ways that are distressing to others or very painful, just so that they can be sure to die while still physically able and not be stuck incapacitated and in pain.

Allowing assisted suicide to people with dementia or who are not terminally ill is a whole other kettle of fish and has many more issues attached. I hope that a solution could be reached but it’s far from straightforward.

I do not accept that allowing assisted dying to the terminally ill is a slippery slope to allowing assisted death/suicide more generally. It is generally clear when someone has a terminal diagnosis.

Im.not against abortion. I am against AS. Be a different kettle of fish if you find yourself on your uppers or mentally ill and being asked if you wanted to take the kind way out I'll bet. No help for you so maybe you should just die instead

Be careful what you wish for

So just to be clear @cookiebee it's abhorrent to not kill people?

As a medic, it's basically against our Hippocratic oath - like the death sentence it would be non medical personnel administering the lethal substance.

Why not? That's what you are

No it's different. Pro abortion implies that you think it's the best choice. Pro choice simply means that you believe a woman should make that decision for herself.