Liam Payne Funeral

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Read online that Liam Payne’s funeral could be as big as Princess Diana’s - not sure how true this is.

Don’t get me wrong I think it’ll be a large public gathering for sure…. Unless the family decide to have a more private service unannounced with just family and friends etc..

To be fair Jade Goody's death was a young lose to cancer, Liam Paynes was a lose to drugs. I know which I consider more tragic. Feel really sorry for the child growing up in that circus. Hopefully if the funeral is like Diana's they won't make him walk behind the coffin like they did William and Harry.

🤣 I was 16 so said a lot of stupid crap then ha ha. I know what you mean though

Why would they do that? And was Jade’s funeral televised?

I commented that I had never heard of him to point out the difference between him and Princess Diana. I can’t imagine there were many people in the country at the time who didn’t know who she was. When she died everything stopped. All the radio and tv channels covered nothing else for the whole Sunday. On the day of her funeral everything shut even though it was a Saturday.

I very much doubt that everyone in the country had heard of Liam Payne. It’s very sad he has died but he simply wasn’t as famous as Diana.

I agree that when someone posts a thread to say that a famous person has died it is distasteful when people jump on to say they had never heard of them but in this conversation it is relevant.

It's not bad taste or offensive to say you have never heard of a particular musician whether they are alive or dead, just a fact. I hadn't heard of this poor young man, simply because I have no interest in the kind of music he made. That doesnt mean it wasnt good or he wasnt talented or admired. There are thousands of other musicians of all kinds I haven't heard of either, it doesn't mean anything about their talent or worth, just that their particular genre isn't something I pay attention to. I don't listen to gospel music or death metal or chamber music either and wouldn't have a clue about even the most famous musicians in that field, it doesn't say anything about them, just something about me.

And people, like me, are saying they hadn’t heard of him not to be mean or snobbish or anything, but because of the ridiculous premise of the thread, which compares a figure of global and historical significance with a (I presume) relatively popular musician who many younger people in the developed world may well have heard of.

I don't get all the people who say they've never heard of him, have they been living in a cave for the past 15 years! Do they not read a paper, watch the news? Talk to people?

Even my elderly parents have heard of him. They're almost 80 and definitely not boyband age. Even the Telegraph, the bastion of the upper middle classes report on One Direction occasionally.

Coming on a thread to pretend you don't just to provoke others is pathetic.

The whole country were mourning princess Diana. From children to the elderly. A huge area ground to a halt because everyone was on the streets. It was massive. It signified an end to her incredibly impactful charity work and public presence. It was a massive loss of a cultural icon. Etc etc.

Liam Payne may well have a huge funeral but I doubt it will be anything like Diana's. The streets may be lined with teenagers but I can't see half country balling their eyes out/businesses closing/millions mourning worldwide/the institutional response Diana had etc. It's sad. It's not the same.

His parents are also getting more distressed by all this speculation and gossip.

I wish the media, and commentators, would let this family grieve in peace.☹️

This. With bells on. Where are people’s critical thinking skills?

I can assure you I am not pretending, and I don't live in a cave, I really did not know the name. Reading papers, of course I do, and I would have seen the name One Direction, but I wouldn't have bothered to read the article or remeber the names of the people in the band. Talking to people? I wouldn't be talking to people about specific band members in pop groups simply because I am not interested in it. My daughters used to call One Direction Wand Erection and we all thought it was funny, that is literally the only conversation I have ever had about them. Why would I know the names of the individual band members in a band I don't listen to who play a kind of music I am not interested in?

I don't get all the people who say they've never heard of him, have they been living in a cave for the past 15 years! Do they not read a paper, watch the news? Talk to people?

I don’t think I have read a newspaper in the last 15 years. If I do it’s the guardian and he didn’t feature heavily. If there was an article about him then I wouldn’t have read it because it wouldn’t have been of interest to me.
Watch the news? Yes. But again he didn’t feature much on the news that I watched.
Talk to people? Yes, but why would I talk to them about someone I had never heard of, and equally why would they talk to me about him.
I’ve not listened to music radio in about 20 years, I’ve never watched X factor. Not because I’m a snob but because it doesn’t interest me.

So your parents had heard of him, could this be because you were a fan? I expect my parents would know who Matt and Luke Goss were because I was a fan when younger. It doesn’t mean that everyone else knows them.

It’s kind of like when they announce Taskmaster. I expect I was one of a few people who knew who Andy Zalztman was, but I wouldn’t accuse people who didn’t know him of lying.

Oh, so now people are pretending never to have heard of him? Believe it or not, this site is read around the world, and there are plenty of people on it, both in Britain and elsewhere, who have never heard of this particular member of a band that has long since broken up, because 1) we never had any interest in their music, so never knew the band members and 2) the papers, or articles we read in those papers, aren't saturated with stuff about him, or them, and 3) even if there were articles, we didn't read them, because they were of no interest or importance to us.

The reason for commenting is because of the ridiculous premise of the thread.

OP you're not sure whether it's true that Liam's funeral could be bigger than Diana's... oh do behave!

Do you even know who Diana was?

I read lots of news, from many sources, but I don't read about things that I am not interested in, life is too short. The same as everyone else, I read, watch and listen to the things that interest or affect me. Until he was splashed all over the headlines this week there is absolutely no reason for me to have known this particular young man's name. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp. Pop music and youth culture are not things I pay a huge amount of attention to and so I would only be aware of the absolutely most famous people, which this poor chap wasn't, however much you might think he was. I've obviously heard of Taylor Swift, for example (I wouldn't recognise her music though. That doesnt mean it isnt great, I'm sure it must be to make her so famous). And as I said upthread, I had heard of 1D (my DH hadn't though, I just asked him). If you are not at all interested in a band why would you know the names of the members of it?

The endless and very detailed media reporting on Liam Payne is sickening and needs to stop.

Having just been through an inquest regarding my son (and I accept this is a legal process) , even this felt like an intrusion into his life. Details shared (just six of us there) about him when he had no way to respond, it felt as if we were talking about someone behind their back. Necessary we know, handled very well by the coroner & pathologist but still feeling intrusive, taking away our son’s privacy and giving us information that we didn't know. He was a young adult, why would we know?

Sadly, I can imagine what Liam Payne’s family are going through, having a son with MH and addiction issues. Devastating, helpless, a sense always that this could happen. My DH has photos of our son’s flat, taken after an incident, taken to show him once he was in recovery, an attempt try to make him accountable. My DH hasn't ever shown those photos to me, nevermind wider. Keeping our son’s dignity as far as possible.

We have been able to carefully manage the information shared. One of our children is tormented that he didn't respond immediately the evening our son died. He chose not to attend the inquest, scared of finding out unknown information, we have talked in careful terms about it since.

We have carefully managed information about his death to his very young children, seeking professional advice.

We have managed information to our friends and colleagues who are supporting us. Professionally, my DH and I have jobs where, unfortunately, information about our son’s death, may not be conducive to the roles we have. Will we be judged as parents, how can we advise others?

For me, my DH and our other children, having every detail of our much loved son, his life, relationships, demons including his last hours, splashed world wide would crucify me and at the lowest point in our lives really would be the final straw.

My heart goes out to Liam Payne and the family he has left behind, please leave them in peace.

And why would it be "provoking" for people to point out that they hadn't heard of him? I am certain that many people haven't heard of musicians whom I consider to be absolute towering geniuses, I don't take that as a slight. Different people are interested in and like different things. The Diana point is ridiculous because she wasn't someone whom you would have known about because you were invested in her or what she did. You could not avoid knowing who she was whatever you made of her, the royal family etc.

@FianoMis that is a very dignified post. So sorry for your loss. Unfortunately certain sectors of the press have no morals or human feelings whatsoever. The coverage of this sad story is just reprehensible.

I can empathise. Ds1's friend died in similar circumstances as Liam Payne. Ds was really upset about the reporting of the inquest into his death. He strongly felt his friend's privacy was violated just to fill up space in the newspaper. It also painted a negative picture of a young man who was a truly good person and who was loved by many people. Whenever I read reporting on similar cases, I always think of the family behind the story.

I am amazed that the surprise/outrage that people didn't know who Liam Payne was. I had heard of one direction but didn't know his name or the names of the other members. I don't like that kind of music, or watch talent shows, or read entertainment news.

I don't live under a rock, and I do read plenty of news. Just not that sort - I'm happy to leave the headspace for other things.

It seems a familiar, sad story of someone who couldn't cope with the pressures of fame.

In the case of Liam Payne, I think it is very much forgotten that he is a real person, with real family members. They are grieving just as we all do.

I saw a tiktok video of Liam's dad being shown the balcony where Liam fell from, obviously taken by a dronw or from a helicopter. It just popped up, I certainly didn't want to see that. What a disgusting invasion of his privacy by media scum.

Many won't have heard of him so this "living under a rock" comment is silly.

Many will have heard of One Direction though (plus Harry Styles), and by association those that didn't know him will have been interested in the news.

You have to also factor in it's been 8 years since 1D were huge (and active). A boy band is very much only relevant in the 'now', they don't have the same lasting effect that a Beatles or a Queen have, acts who remain huge for a long time. I knew of Liam (and all the other 1D members), but apart from the odd appearance (Soccer Aid for example) I hadn't followed or really heard much about him over the years since 1D ended.

It's still a big death though, one of the biggest of the year due to the circumstances around the death, the young age he was, and the global status of the group he was in. His Wikipedia page had over 7 million hits over the two days after his death. For comparison, the last two biggest actor deaths, Maggie Smith and James Earl Jones, their pages had over 3 million hits over two days.

The death of Diana was a whole other ball game though. To go from being the most photographed woman (thus person) on the planet (the Friday before she died paps selling photos of her for 200k), to instant death, there is almost nothing to compare it to. My dad mentioned JFK as being comparable, but he died in '63 so the media would not have been global as it was with Diana (even in '85 with Live Aid global broadcasting was still in its infancy, plus the communist bloc that didn't end to the late 80s was largely out of bounds), and anything after Diana was the internet era, so the audience would not have been as concentrated or focused when there was only television, radio and newspapers. When Diana died you couldn't avoid it (unless you lived in a remote farm with no access to any news).

Just read your post @FianoMis sorry for your loss.

I hope Liam Payne's family will lay him to rest privately then hopefully the ghouls, vultures and assorted grief tourists will not be given any fodder. Princess Diana had a State funeral which was fitting for her but I don't think a member of a boyband would warrant one.
We were in London when the news of Princess Diana's death was announced and my Father said we'd better get the next train home as he didn't want us to get caught up in the evolving situation.