Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

What famous people have you lost respect for?

789 replies

FeetupTvon · 06/10/2024 12:59

There are currently quite a few I have lost respect for, who are yours and why??

OP posts:
AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 09/10/2024 00:48

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 06/10/2024 13:58

Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe
Beyonce
Blake Likely and Ryan Reynolds

What did Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds do?

Aroastdinnerisnotahumanright · 09/10/2024 03:13

Mila Kunis and Ashton kutcher, for defending their rapist friend Danny Masterson.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/10/2024 06:12

CrowleyKitten · 08/10/2024 23:18

is it likely to you that she didn't so much as whack it into google just in case there were negative connotations? in this day and age?

Yes, that is by far the most likely explanation.

The Cuckoo's Calling was published in 2013, way before the professionally offended mob got their claws into her and started picking through Harry Potter with a fine tooth comb looking for proof that she has always been antisemitic and racist and homophobic and all the rest of it, and she'll have come up with the name "Robert Galbraith" way before that even.

It's not even possible to know what results you would have got if you'd typed "Robert Galbraith" into Google prior to 2013, because ever since the identity of the author of The Cuckoo's Calling was leaked to the press the most famous Robert Galbraith in the world has been JK Rowling herself.

Lilimoon · 09/10/2024 20:47

@MissScarletInTheBallroom not all parents of young people who are trans are like the ones you describe 😢.

SapphireSeptember · 09/10/2024 23:23

@Ereshkigalangcleg @duc748 @TwistedWonder @Blessedbunny
Thank fuck some sensible people turned up. Thank you. 😊

SapphireSeptember · 09/10/2024 23:31

@MissScarletInTheBallroom and @TWETMIRF You too! 😊

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 10/10/2024 06:15

Lilimoon · 09/10/2024 20:47

@MissScarletInTheBallroom not all parents of young people who are trans are like the ones you describe 😢.

I'm sure they aren't.

But think about it like this. Every issue can be considered from multiple perspectives, depending on your motivation.

Imagine you are the parent of a 17 year old who has been on puberty blockers and cross sex hormones since they were 12 and is on the waiting list for surgery. The Cass Review is published and suddenly people like your child are the subject of newspaper headlines and dinner conversations up and down the country.

What would you rather believe? That you harmed your child by affirming their gender identity, and that, far from giving them time to think about who they wanted to be without having to go through a distressing puberty, you actually made their transgender status an inevitability and ensured that they will never have a healthy body and sex life or the ability to have children of their own? Or that the Cass Report is a load of transphobic rubbish which isn't worth the paper it's written on because it disregarded all the evidence that didn't fit its intended conclusion and didn't take into account the lived experience of trans people?

Or imagine that you are the parent of a very vulnerable adult trans woman and you read about the nurses taking the NHS to court over single sex changing rooms.

What would you rather believe? That those nurses are prejudiced against people like your child, who hasn't done anything wrong, means no harm to anyone and just wants to be left alone to live their life as the gender they identify as? Or that those nurses have a point, that they are entitled to not be forced to undress in the presence of people like your child, and that in transitioning your child has ensured they will never really fit in anywhere?

I think those parents will believe whatever fits their own preferred narrative, because the alternative is too painful to contemplate. And they will defend it to the death because they love their child.

Then imagine that one of those people has a very senior role at the Guardian, or the BBC even, and imagine what effect that might have on the organisation's editorial policy and their ability to report on these issues in an unbiased way (or their willingness to report on them at all). Or imagine that one of those people is in charge of an NHS trust, and think about what effect that might have on staff and managers who are concerned about the impact of a transgender male member of staff using women's changing rooms, or putting transgender male patients on a women only ward. It becomes very difficult to speak up, doesn't it? Especially if you have bills to pay and can't afford to get fired (like most people).

Helen Joyce is absolutely spot in when she says that just one trans child has the ability to completely paralyse any kind of sensible discussion in the organisations where their parents work or the circles they move in.

And of course, it gets worse. Imagine that one or several of those parents of a trans child is an MP. Maybe someone high up in the government, or the prime minister even. Keir Starmer is notoriously very protective of his children and their identities, and one of them has not even been named in the press. (Although it is quite easy to find out both his children's birth names if you know where to look.) Is that just to protect them from press intrusion into their personal lives at a critical point in their education? Or could one of them be trans identifying? We don't know, and it's not really our business, but the implications of that for government policy are quite scary. Voters really ought to understand whether the government has adopted a certain approach towards puberty blockers or self ID because it's genuinely what they believe having considered all the relevant evidence and viewpoints, or whether it's because one of them has a trans child and the rest don't care to upset them. (For what it's worth I don't really believe this is the case with Keir Starmer as he has rowed back from some of his previous hard lines on trans issues, so I do think he can see both sides.)

Fortunately, David Tennant is just an actor.

LunaNorth · 10/10/2024 06:43

@CrowleyKitten have you not whacked your namesake into Google?

Mr Crowley had some very interesting opinions, particularly regarding Jewish people…

ChishiyaBat · 10/10/2024 09:31

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 10/10/2024 06:15

I'm sure they aren't.

But think about it like this. Every issue can be considered from multiple perspectives, depending on your motivation.

Imagine you are the parent of a 17 year old who has been on puberty blockers and cross sex hormones since they were 12 and is on the waiting list for surgery. The Cass Review is published and suddenly people like your child are the subject of newspaper headlines and dinner conversations up and down the country.

What would you rather believe? That you harmed your child by affirming their gender identity, and that, far from giving them time to think about who they wanted to be without having to go through a distressing puberty, you actually made their transgender status an inevitability and ensured that they will never have a healthy body and sex life or the ability to have children of their own? Or that the Cass Report is a load of transphobic rubbish which isn't worth the paper it's written on because it disregarded all the evidence that didn't fit its intended conclusion and didn't take into account the lived experience of trans people?

Or imagine that you are the parent of a very vulnerable adult trans woman and you read about the nurses taking the NHS to court over single sex changing rooms.

What would you rather believe? That those nurses are prejudiced against people like your child, who hasn't done anything wrong, means no harm to anyone and just wants to be left alone to live their life as the gender they identify as? Or that those nurses have a point, that they are entitled to not be forced to undress in the presence of people like your child, and that in transitioning your child has ensured they will never really fit in anywhere?

I think those parents will believe whatever fits their own preferred narrative, because the alternative is too painful to contemplate. And they will defend it to the death because they love their child.

Then imagine that one of those people has a very senior role at the Guardian, or the BBC even, and imagine what effect that might have on the organisation's editorial policy and their ability to report on these issues in an unbiased way (or their willingness to report on them at all). Or imagine that one of those people is in charge of an NHS trust, and think about what effect that might have on staff and managers who are concerned about the impact of a transgender male member of staff using women's changing rooms, or putting transgender male patients on a women only ward. It becomes very difficult to speak up, doesn't it? Especially if you have bills to pay and can't afford to get fired (like most people).

Helen Joyce is absolutely spot in when she says that just one trans child has the ability to completely paralyse any kind of sensible discussion in the organisations where their parents work or the circles they move in.

And of course, it gets worse. Imagine that one or several of those parents of a trans child is an MP. Maybe someone high up in the government, or the prime minister even. Keir Starmer is notoriously very protective of his children and their identities, and one of them has not even been named in the press. (Although it is quite easy to find out both his children's birth names if you know where to look.) Is that just to protect them from press intrusion into their personal lives at a critical point in their education? Or could one of them be trans identifying? We don't know, and it's not really our business, but the implications of that for government policy are quite scary. Voters really ought to understand whether the government has adopted a certain approach towards puberty blockers or self ID because it's genuinely what they believe having considered all the relevant evidence and viewpoints, or whether it's because one of them has a trans child and the rest don't care to upset them. (For what it's worth I don't really believe this is the case with Keir Starmer as he has rowed back from some of his previous hard lines on trans issues, so I do think he can see both sides.)

Fortunately, David Tennant is just an actor.

Edited

Excellent post Miss Scarlett👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

duc748 · 10/10/2024 11:21

ChishiyaBat · 10/10/2024 09:31

Excellent post Miss Scarlett👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Yes it is! Top work, Miss S!

CrowleyKitten · 10/10/2024 23:18

LunaNorth · 10/10/2024 06:43

@CrowleyKitten have you not whacked your namesake into Google?

Mr Crowley had some very interesting opinions, particularly regarding Jewish people…

not actually named after him, as it happens. although I do know a fair bit about him
it's after a fictional character that I named my cat after, because they have the same eyes.

LunaNorth · 11/10/2024 04:18

CrowleyKitten · 10/10/2024 23:18

not actually named after him, as it happens. although I do know a fair bit about him
it's after a fictional character that I named my cat after, because they have the same eyes.

My point exactly. I’m sure Robert Galbraith isn’t named after a big old baddie, either.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/10/2024 06:23

CrowleyKitten · 10/10/2024 23:18

not actually named after him, as it happens. although I do know a fair bit about him
it's after a fictional character that I named my cat after, because they have the same eyes.

LOL!

Crowley: JKR named her alter ego after a horrific gay conversion therapist.
Other posters: Really? Does that seem more likely than her just liking the name?
Crowley: Surely you would Google, and decide not to use the same.
LunaNorth: Mr Crowley was antisemitic.
Crowley: Oh I know all about him! No Googling necessary! But there's no connection, I just liked the name.

🙄

LunaNorth · 11/10/2024 12:51

@MissScarletInTheBallroom doesn’t count because it’s cute when they do it 😉

New posts on this thread. Refresh page