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Ambulance service: this needs to end

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Nichebitch · 28/09/2024 23:48

Hear me out. My dd6 had an accident at the playground and badly hurt her back - she couldn’t move, couldn’t stand, had difficulty breathing and was in a lot of pain. At some point lips turning blue so we called 911.
And I really get it - they told me that as she could still draw a breath and was not bleeding, we would have to wait, they didn’t think it was a life or death situation. BUT - how is it tolerable to leave an agonising and not able to move small child with breathing difficulties waiting, with orders of not to move her, for over 1 hour. The ambulance never came, she seemed to be able to wiggle herself a bit so we decided to take a cab to the hospital - seen in under 20m. She’s recovering now.
not criticising the ambulance people, that’s not my point. The hospital wasn’t rammed either. But more people need to speak about this because it’s not bloody normal. I don’t know what the solution is nor should I know, it’s not my effing job.

OP posts:
MissMeMiss · 28/09/2024 23:55

Not sure why you would call 911 and expect any response

Nichebitch · 28/09/2024 23:57

MissMeMiss · 28/09/2024 23:55

Not sure why you would call 911 and expect any response

You don’t think a paralysed child who can’t breath is an emergency?

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NinetyNineOrangeBalloons · 28/09/2024 23:57

Nichebitch · 28/09/2024 23:57

You don’t think a paralysed child who can’t breath is an emergency?

Are you in the US? The correct emergency number in the UK is 999

MissMeMiss · 28/09/2024 23:59

Oh she ended up being paralysed? And she couldn't breathe?

Your opinion said she managed both 🫤

Nichebitch · 29/09/2024 00:00

Anyway, we can make this about how badly hurt my child was, or we can all get that the emergency services said it was urgent, were sending someone, but after 1h a 6y old was still agonising on the floor. And I’m very aware we didn’t have the worst luck. Still not the point!!

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SilenceInside · 29/09/2024 00:03

Of course it needs to change, but the ambulance service are stretched thin and they have to prioritise calls. There will have been urgent life or death calls that were prioritised ahead of your DD, for absolutely correct clinical reasons. And your DD was fine, and you were able to take her to hospital yourselves. So, they were right.

It would be lovely to have enough NHS capacity to be able to respond to the lower ranked calls as quickly as they currently respond to the highest severity calls. That will need lots of investment and time.

lollypop42 · 29/09/2024 00:03

totally agree nichebitch, we should not be waiting so long for an
ambulance, and no child should go through this. i hope all is well now

Nomorecoconutboosts · 29/09/2024 00:05

I understand your point OP - I hope your dd is much better I was glad to see on your post she is recovering.
(those querying 911/999 - either a typo or OP not in UK but didn’t really make a difference to understanding the post - I was more focused on a mum who has recently had a worrying situation with a child)

It is a long wait for an ambulance, I’m a HCP and have had to call ambulances for genuine emergencies, sometimes the wait is hours. Not sure what the answer is other than major policy changes.
There’s enough staff to cope with the high number of calls, and at times they have to wait outside A&E. Perhaps in some cases an ambulance isn’t strictly needed but I’m not sure how that could be addressed.

NewName24 · 29/09/2024 00:05

You are absolutely right.

I think it is something we are all aware of (Vaguely, in the back of our minds), but don't really think about or consciously try to do something to make a difference (contacting MPs maybe? joining or starting campaign groups?) until it affects us directly.

My friend had a suspected stroke last year at home, was FAST positive, and what should have been a really urgent, time critical call, took the ambulance an hour and 20minutes to get to her.

I've got lots of tales of other people having to wait literally hours.

I have no criticism of the paramedics and ambulance staff at all but clearly (and I know they have got so much to do) the Government HAVE to make something like this a priority.

When watching programmes like Ambulance / Inside the Ambulance / 24 hours in A&E / etc., I often wonder why they don't have trained staff to take over the calls that don't really need blue lights and highly trained paramedics there for example (many of the isolated and lonely people that call in the night).... I wonder if there couldn't be a better triage or way of managing arrivals at hospital A&Es so there aren't 14 ambulances in a queue outside...... I cannot for the life of me understand why those of us with suspected broken limbs have to clog up A&E rather than being able to go straight to X-ray.... and lots of other thoughts.

I don't work there, so don't know the answers, but surely it isn't beyond the realms of Government to send people out to talk to the frontline staff in 50 A&E departments and some Ambulance call centres and so forth around the country and ask the people that deal with things day to day, how things could be managed better in the short term, whilst they sit down and make a longer term and more holistic plan, to include mental health and social care input, and GP surgeries to look together at all the issues that cause these unacceptable delays.

OrwellianTimes · 29/09/2024 00:06

NinetyNineOrangeBalloons · 28/09/2024 23:57

Are you in the US? The correct emergency number in the UK is 999

911 is in so many tv shows here that it works here too.

NinetyNineOrangeBalloons · 29/09/2024 00:09

OrwellianTimes · 29/09/2024 00:06

911 is in so many tv shows here that it works here too.

Oh really?

I just find it strange that anyone in the UK would try that (or be surprised at an hour’s wait for a non-immediately life threatening injury) that I assumed OP may be in a different country, with their own issues.

Nomorecoconutboosts · 29/09/2024 00:10

You can call 999 or 911 or 112 from a UK phone…

(and even if you couldn’t, the OP would have quickly found this out)!

Nichebitch · 29/09/2024 00:11

SilenceInside · 29/09/2024 00:03

Of course it needs to change, but the ambulance service are stretched thin and they have to prioritise calls. There will have been urgent life or death calls that were prioritised ahead of your DD, for absolutely correct clinical reasons. And your DD was fine, and you were able to take her to hospital yourselves. So, they were right.

It would be lovely to have enough NHS capacity to be able to respond to the lower ranked calls as quickly as they currently respond to the highest severity calls. That will need lots of investment and time.

You’re still missing the point. I said I know why they did it, and how they were prioritising. The fact that that’s how it works in a developed country is shameful, and the fact that we are accepting it as a fact is a disgrace. Btw, we were told not to move her, but we didn’t know what else to do.
We almost lost her 3 years ago for misdiagnosis and then lack of beds - this country is terrifying.

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Nichebitch · 29/09/2024 00:13

And yes was 999, but I got them mixed up while writing.

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NewName24 · 29/09/2024 00:14

I just find it strange that anyone in the UK would try that (or be surprised at an hour’s wait for a non-immediately life threatening injury)

I think that is the whole point of the thread, that you think it is an non-issue that a small child who had badly hurt her back - she couldn’t move, couldn’t stand, had difficulty breathing and was in a lot of pain. At some point lips turning blue was left outside in that state for an hour (and may well have been much longer - the family decided to risk moving her after an hour) is okay / normal / nothing to be angry about.

We are one of the richest countries in the world. We should be aiming a LOT higher, and not 'accepting' that is perfectly reasonable.

Nichebitch · 29/09/2024 00:14

NinetyNineOrangeBalloons · 29/09/2024 00:09

Oh really?

I just find it strange that anyone in the UK would try that (or be surprised at an hour’s wait for a non-immediately life threatening injury) that I assumed OP may be in a different country, with their own issues.

Edited

It was 999 I called.. I’m not British but I’ve been living here for a long time, got the numbers mixed up here.

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Nomorecoconutboosts · 29/09/2024 00:15

It sounds as if at first the situation looked very serious so the OP made a good call to call the paramedics. Thankfully her dd seemed to recover a little and as the ambulance had not arrived, parents were able to reassess and decide that a cab was possible.
I have read the OP several times and I would have been frightened with a child initially struggling to breathe and move with blue lips. I would have called an ambulance and I’m a nurse.

LadyCakehole · 29/09/2024 00:15

I agree with you OP, what a scary situation for you all. It's not ok and the most saddening fact is that so many accept this as the norm, state it's inevitable, shrug and move on. Thank goodness you had a positive outcome. 😘

Nomorecoconutboosts · 29/09/2024 00:15

@NewName24
totally agree

Nichebitch · 29/09/2024 00:16

NewName24 · 29/09/2024 00:14

I just find it strange that anyone in the UK would try that (or be surprised at an hour’s wait for a non-immediately life threatening injury)

I think that is the whole point of the thread, that you think it is an non-issue that a small child who had badly hurt her back - she couldn’t move, couldn’t stand, had difficulty breathing and was in a lot of pain. At some point lips turning blue was left outside in that state for an hour (and may well have been much longer - the family decided to risk moving her after an hour) is okay / normal / nothing to be angry about.

We are one of the richest countries in the world. We should be aiming a LOT higher, and not 'accepting' that is perfectly reasonable.

Exactly what I was trying to say, thank you.
not trying to come up with a solution here but this can’t be the standard

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Allthehorsesintheworld · 29/09/2024 00:16

And yet in a very rural part of EU country my ndn had a cardiac arrest. Fire service arrived within 10 minutes ( bc fire service closer than ambulance station and they’re 50% minimum paramedic trained) Fire fighters resuscitated him, had oxygen, meds administered when ambulance arrived. His wife was told to follow ambulance in her car. By the time she parked ( no parking charges, it’s a hospital, you know for sick people and their families) and got inside he was already in surgery. Bypass surgery and home a week later. The health service works because it’s run for the people, who pay for it in their taxes exactly the same as we do. Streamlined, fewer managers.

OP I hope your daughter is ok.

NinetyNineOrangeBalloons · 29/09/2024 00:16

NewName24 · 29/09/2024 00:14

I just find it strange that anyone in the UK would try that (or be surprised at an hour’s wait for a non-immediately life threatening injury)

I think that is the whole point of the thread, that you think it is an non-issue that a small child who had badly hurt her back - she couldn’t move, couldn’t stand, had difficulty breathing and was in a lot of pain. At some point lips turning blue was left outside in that state for an hour (and may well have been much longer - the family decided to risk moving her after an hour) is okay / normal / nothing to be angry about.

We are one of the richest countries in the world. We should be aiming a LOT higher, and not 'accepting' that is perfectly reasonable.

I don’t disagree, but it’s been the case for as long as I can remember that people who are breathing but conscious, no suspected heart attack or similar, have had to wait for that length of time.

I don’t know what it’s like in other countries. May be different in the ones you have to pay for ambulances?

Yamantau · 29/09/2024 00:20

Nichebitch · 29/09/2024 00:11

You’re still missing the point. I said I know why they did it, and how they were prioritising. The fact that that’s how it works in a developed country is shameful, and the fact that we are accepting it as a fact is a disgrace. Btw, we were told not to move her, but we didn’t know what else to do.
We almost lost her 3 years ago for misdiagnosis and then lack of beds - this country is terrifying.

it all comes down to ££ and capitalism, until we have a system evolved and that is not about cost then it will always be as it is as ££ is the bottom line for everything

LittlePotOfCress · 29/09/2024 00:22

you are correct OP, it is highly unreasonable, the system is in a mess.
Anyone telling you otherwise will be the usual wine addled mumsnetters who are gagging for a bitch fight. Ignore them. Let them enjoy the decay and squalor we've been left with.
Let's see how they fare when it's their turn.

XelaM · 29/09/2024 00:23

You are absolutely right OP and the fact that many posters above are accepting this as normal is frightening. I hope your daughter is much better! My daughter's friend had a similar incident when around your daughter's age (although on a boat rather than the playground) and had fractured her back which was so scary. She fully recovered and is now a very sporty teen with no back problems whatsoever.

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