Are schools getting more strict and controlling?also are secondary schools to big

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At dd school (secondary) there are 2 compulsory homework clubs a week. Plus there's home work for actually at home to . If home work is due in on the Friday If it's not handed in on the Wednesday. They are made to stay after school to get it done.

They have 4 role calls a day. School controls when and when a student can't remove their blazer.

They get into trouble over things out of their control . Example : schools uniform is very expensive. Income low parent manages to sort all the main school uniform but struggles with part of the PE kit.

I think if things were a little less strict students would be happier there for enjoy school and work better. I personally don't think most of this stuff is to ready children for the adult world. You don't get held behinde at work if you forget a pen.

If school uniform was more practical and comfortable I think students would work better.

Also if home work is due Friday then it's due Friday . Not Wednesday. It's just more pressure on the child why do it.

I'm not in the position to home school my child but I totally get why more people are doing it.

Seriously? You can't see the difference between a school where one class of pupils are with one teacher all the time for each year and a completely different system with subject teachers rotating classes constantly? And the logistics/space/numbers needed to make that model function. It seems like you haven't got a grasp on the fundamentals.

Restricting children from going to the toilet is a good example of how some schools have lost their way.

I wonder if they put that in the welcome speech - "Welcome, at our school you will end up with a UTI at some point but don't expect us to care. Just make sure you're in school regardless because that won't be an authorised absence".

Even prisoners get to wear track suits

Hmm, yes, because all private schooling is famously not strict and doesn't enforce (often ridiculous) uniform.

Others managed to answer the question without a dig.

I just think it speaks to the lack of groundedness in some of the opinions on here. Fine to be idealistic, but if someone's making points based on such a loose grasp of reality then it's pointless engaging in the debate really. To get so far through the thread and then be like: "But why are buses so big when cars are small?". Feels like someone needed to spend more time in homework club.

I agree that asking to remove a blazer is stupid but the toilet and pen issue is a problem.
it’s very frustrating to start a lesson and have two or three without a book, three or four without a pen, six without a glue stick etc. you really do waste time at the start of the lesson sorting equipment. Yes I can hand stuff out but you can be absolutely certain unless I count it out and record it, I won’t get it all back. Over the course of a term that’s a lot of equipment. Also I’m trying to get a strong start to the lesson and do the register. Dealing with missing equipment is a right pain.
The issue oh going to the toilet always winds people up. The assumption of many is that kids only ask to go to the loo because they need the loo. I would say 95% of the kids who ask to go to the loo don’t actually need it. They want a break, a vape, meet friends or go on their phones. I used to let every kid who asked go. It got to the stage where 13 kids in one lesson asked to go!

I'm pretty sure that we have free, state education for the benefits to society as a whole, and not because it's nice for children.

Now why didn’t schools think of that before?

Trust me - we are very aware of the difficult backgrounds some dc come from. It’s heartbreaking and we do our best. We don’t make the rules about the subjects etc. school doesn’t suit everyone we know that. Tell the government.

I never went to a mainstream school there were 10 to a class at my school.

It should always be ok to ask a question

You could always take her out of school and home school her if her school is so offensive to you.

Did you read all of my op?

I did this was the best decision ever my dc can have the rest they need, learn at their own pace without distractions, be comfortable in what they wear, go to the toilet when they want ! We did gcses privately

I'm sure some schools do think this way, but some clearly don't. When you're putting kids in detention for forgetting a pen, requiring them to ask permission before taking their blazers or jumpers off and limiting toilet access, then you've moved a long way away from viewing children as developing and autonomous human beings who deserve consideration, respect and dignity.

Fair enough but it's not a great endorsement of said school. Pros and cons to big and small.

My office was down the corridor from the girls toilets. I spent a good proportion of my time moving on groups of girls who had gone for a chat/ cigarette/ reapply make up/ throw toilet paper around.

It’s really not surprising that there has to be some sort of rule about it. Most teachers will know when a child really needs the toilet.

In that case, school shouldn't be compulsory.

But group sanctions aren't the answer. Punish those who behave badly rather than infringing all students' human rights.

It’s really not surprising that there has to be some sort of rule about it. Most teachers will know when a child really needs the toilet.

Really, how does that work? Teachers can tell that the child is on their period, has a UTI or a health condition that means they can't wait til break time? Or do they wait until the child is dancing in their seat, or until they soil themselves? I can understand there needs to be rules, but suggesting teachers have some magical way of just knowing is ridiculous.

School isn't compulsory (in England d, and zi presume the rest of UK)
Educating your child is... be that State school, private school, online school, or teaching them yourselves.

@Goldbar school isn't compulsory (in England anyway).
Education is though.

It isn't. You can home school your child.

What's your point? That education (of any kind - as per @TickingAlongNicely list) should be optional?

But that depends on the parents being able/willing to home-ed, which realistically most won't be. In effect, school is compulsory for most children, as seen by fines for parents for non-attendance.

If school isn't for the children's benefit, they shouldn't have to go regardless of whether an alternative form of education will be provided for them. They should simply be able to walk out.

To walk out and.... then what?

You're cutting these parents who can't/won't educate their own child a lot of slack while expecting a lot from others who have a lot more children to cater for.