Thread 8 Starmer : Cat fur on new clothes

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Labour Conference is starting today in Liverpool, I assume the media attending won't be picking up any freebies

He resigned after other people did - he wasn't exactly a standard bearer! Then he went on to support Truss in the leadership contest.

Hope you make a swift recovery Piggy and your cardi turns up.

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All this talk of @Piggywaspushed ’s cardi is making me paranoid. Keep thinking you are all talking about me…
get well soon, piggy, and I’ll send vibes for the errant cardi to find its way home.

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We have said this on our threads

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/sep/22/tory-asylum-housing-costs-ex-aid-chief-scam

The billions of pounds spent on housing asylum seekers is ripe for the kind of “scam and scandal” that emerged in the contracts awarded during the Covid pandemic, the Observer has been told.

Hooe you're feeling better this morning @Piggywaspushed.

Kuenssberg this morning was utterly pathetic. Well done Raynor for staying calm, answering the frankly ridiculous trite that Kuenssberg started with. It's a shame she didn't spend the time asking real probing questions, fucking clothes, friends houses and waves.
Kuenssberg- "you should remove rtb"
Raynor "No, but we want it to be fairer to the taxpayers "
Kuenssberg "So you don't want others to to benefit even though you did".

Not the gotcha Kuenssberg thought it was. She really needs to grow up, what an utter waste of an opportunity to actually do a good interview.

Hope you're feeling better piggy

Read a good article in Guardian (think it was that paper!) via Apple news earlier from Starmer.

When he speaks he sounds so in control and authoritarian. Then ruins it with stupid moves 🤦🏼‍♀️

His not about football box made sense though. He said it costs tax payer money for his security - this was donors money but saved the tax payer.

Not that anyone will care or listen because the £2.5k glasses were a ridiculous acceptance. And he said "well I won't need new glasses for a while now" as if that defended it 🙄

Still chickenfeed compared to their counter parts, the bar is set so much higher.

Oh yeah.

And I suspect half this problem comes from the fact they are honest enough to actually declare.

However they should also know this and be aware of it.

I like Starmer and actually think he can do loads of good. I just don't want it dwarfed and ignored by small stupid decisions. Which he knows will happen.

LK obviously had her list of "gotcha" questions pre-prepared and wasn't going to let the answers get in the way of her next question

I will never understand how she got to the position she is in. She's a terrible interviewer in so many ways, not least her favouritism.

Not only is she a terrible interviewer but she’s a convenient ignorer of facts. How did she let Philp get away with saying twice that Starmer has had the most donations of any MP without reminding him of the gold wallpaper, the wedding financed by donors, etc? Johnson’s donations dwarf anyone else’s.

Having said that, Rayner was excellent. Answered every question clearly, wasn’t fazed at any point and was relaxed and pleasant throughout. Every time I see or hear her interviewed I like her more.

I re-read Animal Farm recently, and it keeps coming into my head when I'm reading current stuff about TLP and Sir Keir Starmer.

Animal Farm is a satirical allegorical novella, in the form of a beast fable,[1] by George Orwell, first published in England on 17 August 1945.[2][3] It tells the story of a group of anthropomorphic farm animals who rebel against their human farmer, hoping to create a society where the animals can be equal, free, and happy. Ultimately, the rebellion is betrayed, and under the dictatorship of a pig named Napoleon, the farm ends up in a state far worse than before.

Perhaps an extreme reaction on my part (!) but I'm finding myself feeling so disappointed right now, and pretty disillusioned. Seeing the amount of freebies accepted by SKS was really shocking and totally at odds with the belief I had in him that he is a man of integrity. Perhaps there is some truth in the words 'they're all the same'?

I really hope not, and hope that something more positive comes out of the conference.

I have never read Animal Farm really should do so but I recently re-read 1984, having last read it well over 40 years ago (). It was my choice for the book club that I'm a member of, as I thought there were so many parallels with the world we now live in and the technology we now live with.

I have to admit I found it even more depressing than I remember (and I lived through the Thatcher years and said there were parallels then ). There is no hope left in the book. Unless you think (à la Marxism), the Proles really will eventually rise up. But the book has the Inner Party anticipating any move and completely manipulating and diverting any dissent.

Do you think you are more influenced by the current media outrage than you expected?

I will never understand how she got to the position she is in. She's a terrible interviewer in so many ways, not least her favouritism.

Totally agree. She must be the only bbc presenter the Tory's never accused of being biased to the left.

Not surprising considering she's the only one who's never challenged the right side.

To be fair to the other on bbc and R4 they've been pretty harsh to all PMs and ministers!

Yea she has a fab interview style that just makes you like her. She's so natural and no hesitation. She feels believable and I do believe she's honestly being honest.

Just a shame she's judged in her accent and not her words

I have it back!

Glad to hear!

That is the end of cardigate

Hope you are feeling a bit better today

I hate it when they do that. Showing my age now, but Natasha Kaplinsky use to really obviously tune out when people were answering questions then just move on to the next question regardless of the answer.
I find it quite rude and not holding anyone to account properly

@itsgettingweird I scrolled too fast and for a split second I thought it was LK's interview style you were complimenting. Sorry!
I am astonished by LK's pay.
The show was awful this morning , in my opinion and she wasted so much time.
AR was maginificent. The other guests could have had much more to say too , had they been given the opportunity.

Yaaay!

I think thats a very good point...... constant media attention to this, can influence how we all think, its how and why marketing budgets are so huge.

What i don't quite understand is why none of this was brought to our attention pre GE.

Perhaps the Tories thought it wouldn't make much difference/didn't want to have to deal with so much financial mess.... so kept their powder dry.. with their eyes on 2029, where this stuff can be re hashed time and time again?