Does anyone believe these men? (Gisèle Pélicot)

[suihi]

Excepts here:

’“If I had known she wasn’t aware [of what would happen], I wouldn’t have gone there,” he told the court. “I should have checked that she was OK with it. I didn’t talk to her, so I could not get her consent. I feel guilty for what I did.
“I never told myself: ‘I will rape that woman’,” he said. However, he admitted, “I’m guilty of rape.” He added that he should have left when he saw she was unconscious, and that it was cowardly of him not to have said anything.’

’Some men have admitted Pélicot told them he was drugging his then wife, while others claimed they believed they were participating in a couple’s organised game.’

’Dominique Pélicot has admitted the charges, telling the court he was “a rapist”. He has said the men he recruited online all knew they were coming to rape his unconscious, drugged wife.’

Somehow I have a feeling it’s the latter 🤨

www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/19/i-am-part-of-this-nightmare-man-admits-guilt-in-gisele-pelicot-trial

No, they definitely were aware it was rape at the time. Penetrating an unconscious person whom you’ve never met before and your access being essentially arranged via a pimp. There’s no room for doubt.

Maybe we could send her letters via her lawyers?

how could they not know when they were signposted towards their rapes by being members of a site called Without Her Consent?

it beggars belief that anyone isn't just telling them to STFU, plead guilty and let the victim and her family get on with their lives.

I know, surely their best option now the husband has confessed is to plead guilty themselves
not sure how that works in the French system though

@newtlover i had the same thought today and actually googled ‘how to show support to Gisele’ - didn’t find anything obvious.

I also wanted to contact her - I am going to message her lawyer firm as suggested above: [email protected]

@Lozzalove I am so sorry for the abuse you suffered and hope you have managed to get to a place of healing.

@Lozzalove I'm so sorry lovely. ❤️

Exactly. The name of the website says everything we need to know about these men. Hope they’re locked up for a very long time and the keys are thrown into a very deep ocean.

Agree.

I honestly feel like each and every day my faith in men is chipped away at. I'm utterly disgusted by the behaviour and attitudes of so many men and there are so many that may not have acted on these sick fantasies, but are sat back on their laptops enjoying watching it.

All for a quick orgasm. I genuinely can't understand it and actually can't explain how disgusted I am about it.

Children's lives are ruined. Women's lives are ruined. All for some sick f*ck to have a couple of seconds of feeling good. I'm sickened that society is just allowing so much of this. Huw Edwards and his lenient sentence. An entire internet full of porn that is so unrealistic and pushing so many boundaries that we have a large % of men unable to actually perform sexually because they're so far into porn addiction (and then blaming it on women). Middle aged men in decent, adult relationships seemingly deciding one day to book escorts and tear up their family's lives for a bit of 'strange' thrill (have seen several similar threads on MN recently on this topic alone!). It's sick.

Brings to mind the Germain Greer quote: "Women have very little idea of how much men hate them."

I don’t think men do actually hate us. I don’t think it’s that. I think they just put themselves first to a degree that is shocking to women ( and to however many decent men there truly are).

Yes, I don’t think there needs to be much thought attributed to this - it’s not a mystery. These men did it because they wanted to, because it was pleasing to them, it likely gave them both mental and physical stimulation. A lot of things can be simply summarised with Ockham’s razor.

I think you’re deluding yourselves if you think it has to only be “sick men” with “sick fantasies” that get involved with this. It’s as simple as they “paid for it”, the “husband consented on her behalf” etc they ultimately don’t see this as a big deal.

I believe every man in that courtroom is as guilty as fuck

I cannot believe the lawyers are trying to defend them

I hope they all are convicted as guilty and serve time

Gisèle is my hero and should be an inspiration to all women

All for a quick orgasm

^

It comes down to this.

That's what men are reduced to

And what boggles my mind is how many men went to rape this woman. They chatted with Dominique online, then went around to rape a woman.

Over 90 of them.

It doesn’t boggle my mind. They went to the property never thinking they’d be caught or there would be public outrage or that anyone would find out. they didn’t see past the immediate crime

It’s a good thing that their lawyers are trying to defend them because it means they can’t appeal the decision on the basis of unfair representation. If their defence tries everything then they have zero avenue to say it’s an unsound conviction

that's true, a good defence is crucial for a secure conviction (I'm assuming, as I said before its a different system there)

IMO, none of them believe that being raped while unconscious is a kink, because it isn't.
All of them know they were the active participant, the one with the kink about raping unconscious women.

Anyone know if there is a GoFundMe or equivalent fo donate towards a women’s charity in Mme Pelicot’s area? Or perhaps to set one up? A legacy of a charity in her name would be wonderful if she were in agreement. Perhaps her lawyers can advise?

BoreOff I would support that.

Yes this is more like-Oh yes I guess I’m guilty on a technicality. Bastard

I need to do some research to see if there is one already, or if through her lawyers something could be set up.
if not, I will donate to an existing charity here

I donated to Refuge and Rape Crisis last week. There will be instances elsewhere where this is going on and a woman might not have the means to escape.

https://donate.rapecrisis.org.uk/#:~:text=Email%20us%20at%20fundraising%40rapecrisis,love%20to%20hear%20from%20you!

https://donate.refuge.org.uk/page/86578/donate/1?locale=en-GB

I said on another thread that various studies have shown time and time again that men will happily rape women and/or children if they think they are sure not to get caught.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-third-of-male-university-students-say-they-would-rape-a-woman-if-there-no-were-no-consequences-9978052.html

There was also a Guardian article from some time back that was reported on here where men who had sex with trafficked women said they did it because of the opportunity presenting itself and no-one reported anything. There was another thread about Gisele Pelicot where this was mentioned and one of the men said he saw the woman was chained to the bed and in tears and so he had sex very quickly and left because he apparently felt uncomfortable with the situation. But he did not report it, and nor did he refrain from abusing her. I can't find the article though now

On one of the news reports on the case I saw last week, I think it was channel 4, a man from the village was asked his opinion on the case.
He said 'too much has been made of this' " no one has died' ' no children were involved'. I think that says a lot about how 90 local men thought they would never get caught. It could easily be believed all those men thought it was not a big deal.
It was reported on the same piece that it's thought approx 30 men are thought still to not be caught caught.

I don’t believe any of them. And I hope every single one of those revolting animals has his hard drive checked.

Also I would like for every man caught committing a so called ‘minor’ sex crime like upskirting to have every single corner of their online history and digital files searched automatically in future.