Why does everyone love the queen, when she paid off Andrew’s victims?

[Lovefromjuliaxo]

Just on the back of Huw Edwards sentencing, I remember he was the one to announce the passing of the queen. Cue everyone crying, saying how wonderful she was etc. But I can’t get on board with respecting a woman who basically paid to keep her son out of prison. Why does everyone still adore her? And why did Andrew’s victim take the money instead of getting him punished, even if it was just a suspended like Edwards?

**edited for spelling

Andrew has never worked a day in his life. He has no skills, he's never worked. He is entirely dependent on the crown, very much like being on state benefits (but obviously a lot more generous hand out).

Ummm…you know he was in the navy, and flew helicopters during the Falklands war, right?

Like him or not, it was legitimate work.

I think your arguments would be more persuasive if you could acknowledge that.

Because of national brainwashing

I will yeah

I believe her and it's a shame that she couldn't get justice. It would have been her word against his. I believe Andrew was her favourite son he could do no wrong in her eyes.

My Uncle was in the Navy in the Falklands on a ship and physically saved lives so was actually at far more risk in the Falklands than Prince Arsehole was. You know what the headlines would be for him for the same crimes? "Falklands Veteran Rapist"

No paying off the victim, no pretending it didnt happen, he would (rightly) be sent down. thankfully my Uncle is, and has always been, a better man.

But being a vile creep isn’t illegal

mine too, both military & merchant

@PyongyangKipperbang my comment was in response to RogueFemale saying:
Andrew has never worked a day in his life. He has no skills, he's never worked. He is entirely dependent on the crown, very much like being on state benefits (but obviously a lot more generous hand out).

Whilst it wasn’t quoted (I think due to a fat finger slip up), I think it was clear I was responding to her post.

I stand by my comment that it was legitimate work and that RogueFemale’s arguments would be more persuasive if she dropped the hyperbole.

Flagrantly ignoring facts, or deliberately denying them, does not advance an argument even if it is right. In fact, it can actively damage both the person’s credibility and their argument.

I agree it was legitimate work (at least during the Falklands War), but I wonder to what extent he was protected (as Prince Harry was).

What his lies about not being able to sweat tell us that he is not above exaggerating the role he played.

I don’t like Prince Andrew but yes he did 21 years in the Navy.
So has probably worked longer than his brothers.

What baffles me is why PA is the only name to come out of this whole scandal.
Did VG only recognise him?
It makes no sense.

No. The age of consent varies by state. It is 17 in NY and 18 in FL.

Yes. She would have been ruined, even if she had won if she hadn't taken the settlement. The more pertinent question, I think, is that if Andrew was innocent, why did he settle? He had an unlimited supply of his mothers money and the most to gain from taking it all the way. He can't even help the FBI with their investigations, presumably because he would incriminate himself. He is also spectacularly arrogant and stupid, even by Royal Family standards.

the one who is rambling uninhibitedly on this thread also pops up on anything about colonialism to defend empire, under a different username

I find it quite sweet that they think of themselves as a historian

So?

She exposed him to the public, ruined his already poor reputation, cemented in the minds of the public that the Queen's son is a reprobate and the Royals are not in any way infallible, entirely vindicated herself, pocketed a fair chunk of money, and hopefully gained some sense of justice. Good luck to her.

She was under age in the USA. Our laws don't count there. That's a criminal offence and, if convicted, Andrew would be a paedo.
She paid them off because Andrew is/was her favourite child and how could the British royal family have a felon in their senior ranks? He would have been striped of his titles etc. So the consequences were more unpalatable than paying people off. I think that's how we all make tough decisions, though nit every parent stands by their relatives when they commit crimes.

Was she right to pay off Andrews victims? No opinion either way. People choose their own paths, and must deal with the consequences.

Was I sad the queen died? Yes. Just like I'm sad when anyone I hear about dies.

Andrew's victim?

Giuffre?

Lol. She's sitting very pretty for a "victim".

She was a young woman above the age of consent. PA might have slept with her. What evidence do we have that he did? Her say-so?

Do you honestly believe that JE went to prison for trafficking? I'm not a conspiracy theorist but this whole thing stinks.

The Queen supported her DC like literally every woman on MN would do.

Your post is ridiculous.

Not everyone loves the Queen or even the royal family at all. Some of us are Republicans. We just don't talk about it all day because what good would it do?

When? Edinburgh and London protestors arrested for protesting for holding signs. Thats when. Poor taste? This wasn’t an anonymous older adult passing away this was the figurehead of a dysfunctional and dubious firm, it was going to elicit a protest response

Mumsnet, where a 24 year old is still a child who can’t be expected to pay their keep at home because life is so hard for young people.

Also Mumsnet, where a vulnerable 17 year old is an aged, conniving prostitute.

i wouldnt say she supported Charles marrying Diana.
it was expected
not his choice

I was not happy with the coverage of the Queen's life after her death. I thought there would be a proper taking stock, good and also bad, and that things like her paying off Andrew's accusor, and some of the relationships with the Commonwealth countries and the aftermath of empire would be discussed, at least as controversies. Nope, it was just complete hero-worshipping all the way. I stopped watching. It was sad, but this 'grandma to the nation' stuff with Pooh Bear was just ridiculous, like we couldn't have any actual reckoning of her whole reign, good and bad.

how on earth do you know this?

OP, agree with you 100%. I’m no huge fan of the royals and to me this felt like the icing on the cake.

It was at the time