Migrants - just curious......

[sunshinewithrain]

Are they genuinely so desperate that they will get in a rubber dingy to cross a dangerous sea to get to England?
OR
Are they 'sold' a dream?
OR
A mixture of both! And we don'it understand it properly .......
It's so sad all these people dying trying to cross the sea in such a dangerous way ......

They can work full time when its not term time.
During term time they can work a max of 20 something hours a week.

They need to eat too don't they?

Yes maybe it was a misunderstanding, the job is clearly full time.

Yes I’d hop in a boat and leave my wife and child in an active war zone full of rapists apparently 🤷🏼‍♀️

No, I just can't be arsed arguing.

They maybe failed asylum claims in Europe or did not try as they prefer The UK. If this is the only way you can get in to a country to make money and have a better life, it’s not surprising and I can’t blame them for trying. From the UK resources, cohesion and space point of view, there is another argument that has to be addressed eventually.

Borders FFS! Boarders are people boarding (lodging) in yer house.

Yes, the ‘Hard Boarder’ (NI and Brexit) conjures up a hatchet-faced paying guest complaining about the bill…

@ToBeOrNotToBee Iran may not be at war but it doesn't need to be. To claim asylum you need, in broad terms, a well founded fear of persecution.

If the Ayatollahs don't like the cut of your jib you'll likely be persecuted. Same if you're a woman who won't wear a headscarf or knuckle down to your husband or male relatives.

AIUI Christians are but one group persecuted in Eritrea.

It doesn't meet any standard which is the key part, unless you think France should not be deemed a safe country in law?

I work in children's education and many of them live in bed bug infested hotel rooms, our school gives them leftover carrots as there's no fresh food in their accommodation. I've no idea what kind of generous hand outs the asylum seekers you work with get but I think you're really mistaken.

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Safe routes to apply and loans for their settlement, like student loans, no entitlement to unrepayable benefits. No entitlement to housing. If they can track students, they can track migrants.
Once that is all in place, the Royal Navy patrol the Channel with gunboats. No taxi service.

The difference is… they will never want to stay at that level

Again, how do you know that? Some people won’t, some people will.
Immigrants aren’t one big homogeneous group who all behave in a certain way.
My family were immigrants and even people from the same background as them all had varying attitudes towards work, benefits and so on.

I watched a thing years ago, so I don't know if it is the same now.

They interviewed people living in 'the jungle'.

One was convinced if he got to the UK he would get a house and a wife.

I do think it is more complicated though. I know when women are trafficked to Italy from Nigeria they think the are going to work to send money back to their families. They often go through a ceremony with a 'JUJU man'.

They believe that this binds them to the work they will be doing and if they do not work then bad things will happen to them and their family.

When they get to Italy is when they find out their work is prostitution.

For us Italy is a perfectly safe country but not for a young Nigerian woman.

If you can extradite yourself you are not going to want to go home, it isn't safe, and you do not necessarily want to stay in Italy.

www.infomigrants.net/en/post/14725/tricked-trafficked-and-sold-how-criminal-gangs-are-bringing-nigerian-women-to-italy#:~:text=The%20UN%20migration%20agency%20estimates,women%20tell%20the%20same%20story.

I do think there is a myth that in Britain the streets are paved with gold and you'll have a great life.

I also think that British people really struggle to understand why someone would take this risk when they are in France....France is a holiday destination for Brits afteral.

Time and again myths like these in this past are debunked - but still people really believe them

So you want those women to come to UK rather than go back home to their family? From reading it, it struck me the men doing the trafficking should never have been let in to the country. And I think many of the women do know what they are going to do as a job.

PP was responding to a comment that claimed refugees were genuinely desperate (and that’s why they’d get into those dinghies).
Wanting to move somewhere specific because you have family there and/ or speak the language is understandable, but it’s not the same as being genuinely desperate trying to escape a war zone.

Because the Refugee Council say this is the case.

The Refugee Council knows what every single refugee does or doesn’t know?
Again, if many of them already have friends or family here, how come those people don’t tell them anything about the support available here?

The point is that under treaties entered into after WW2 a person seeking Asylum can do so in the country of their choosing. The 'first safe country' thing has some foundation within the EU but not generally.

Other than for a select few schemes such as those for Ukraine, Hong Kong and some Afghans there are no legal routes by which people can reach the UK to claim Asylum. As somebody interviewed on the radio tonight said, if the government opened legal routes most of the boats would stop overnight.

They know they’ll be handed everything for free in this country, that’s why they do it over staying in less welcoming but equally safe countries. Take away the free everything, and they wouldn’t risk it. Simple. France, Germany, Italy etc aren’t war torn, but they still make their merry way through those safe countries to get to the UK.