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fedupoftheheatnow · 16/09/2024 02:49

@Aproductofmyera80s

"So he got hit, you think it’s not in the realms of reality that he still could have staged it…? Could have gone wrong but I wouldn’t put it past him whatsoever ever. He has the money and the means to do so. So it’s not really that far fetched if you broaden your mind a little. and I’m the one that’s stupid?
It literally makes him look like a martyr. The fact that he’s even still allowed to run for president whilst having a criminal case against him is wild."

The issue I have with the concept that he staged it is how on earth would you convince someone to be the shooter knowing full well they're likely to be killed as the shooter in the first incident was or be arrested as it appears the second suspected shooter was?

DefyingGravitas · 16/09/2024 02:51

Derwent01 · 16/09/2024 02:28

but in your view why are any of those 3 not better or am i misunderstanding your point ?

Deleted, wrong quote.

Derwent01 · 16/09/2024 02:56

XChrome · 16/09/2024 02:34

IOW, elitism. Rule by the intellectual elite is not a better system. It disenfranchises anyone without the means to pursue higher education. In other words, it favours the wealthy.
Also, judging who is more knowledgable and has more merit as a candidate is always subjective. It's wide open for personal bias, racial and gender bias, etcetera. So-called "experts" are not immune from that. Far from it.

Who would even be the judges of who is best suited for power if it's not the people? How would they be chosen?

And how can average people with Google available and chooses not to learn political issues or discourse etc be better to choose their leader?

DefyingGravitas · 16/09/2024 02:58

Gingernaut · 16/09/2024 02:34

Shooter is reported to be a registered Democrat voter

I haven’t seen that confirmed yet. But that’s not what I’m referring to anyway. Gun safety legislation by and large does not get passed because Republicans largely block it, those are the Republicans that receive large donations from organizations such as the NRA. Also, those same guys that like to say ‘thoughts and prayers’ after school shootings.

XChrome · 16/09/2024 03:20

Derwent01 · 16/09/2024 02:56

And how can average people with Google available and chooses not to learn political issues or discourse etc be better to choose their leader?

To me that's irrelevant. Intellectual elitism would make for a political system that is unfair and discriminatory to the working class, and even to the middle class, given the cost of higher education these days.

XChrome · 16/09/2024 03:23

fedupoftheheatnow · 16/09/2024 02:49

@Aproductofmyera80s

"So he got hit, you think it’s not in the realms of reality that he still could have staged it…? Could have gone wrong but I wouldn’t put it past him whatsoever ever. He has the money and the means to do so. So it’s not really that far fetched if you broaden your mind a little. and I’m the one that’s stupid?
It literally makes him look like a martyr. The fact that he’s even still allowed to run for president whilst having a criminal case against him is wild."

The issue I have with the concept that he staged it is how on earth would you convince someone to be the shooter knowing full well they're likely to be killed as the shooter in the first incident was or be arrested as it appears the second suspected shooter was?

Unless they were lied to. If they were Trumpers they would gladly believe they have Trump's word that nothing bad would happen to them.
Not saying I believe it's a conspiracy, just saying it wouldn't be hard to convince a Trump cultist to do it.

CoffeeAndEnnui · 16/09/2024 03:57

The 'shooter' was the equivalent of five football fields away, with no way of confirming Trump would be anywhere near that location and a history of mental health issues/erratic behaviour.

But heck, as long as Laura Loomer's name has dropped out of trending topics and there's a dramatic new headline to put out in those conveniently quickly dispatched fundraising emails...

Blackandbluesed · 16/09/2024 05:49

citylightsbehind · 16/09/2024 00:55

Surely that's a bit like saying women are responsible for incels?

Not in the slightest. You can understand the opposition and make them responsible for their own actions at the same time. It's not one or the other.

citylightsbehind · 16/09/2024 05:51

Gingernaut · 16/09/2024 02:34

Shooter is reported to be a registered Democrat voter

The facts:

He did fire any shots
He voted for Trump in 2016
Wanted Tulsi Gabbard to run in 2020 (I don't know how he voted)
Wanted a Haley-Ramaswamy ticket in 2024
So hardly a raging liberal

History of mental illness. Should have been nowhere near a gun.

Linzi2377 · 16/09/2024 06:31

Livelovebehappy · 15/09/2024 23:50

And yet he will still win. Short of an assassination being successful, he will 100% be sitting in the White House after November’s results…

Heres hoping!

Linzi2377 · 16/09/2024 06:34

DefyingGravitas · 16/09/2024 00:27

Republicans love their guns.

Harris and walz are gun owners too

Poiuytrewql · 16/09/2024 06:47

PyongyangKipperbang · 15/09/2024 23:38

I assume you have also sent this message to Trump, Putin, Kim, et al?

If we have to be respectful and humane, then so do they. And if they choose not to be, then we can make that same choice. So I am choosing to wish Putin a painful death because that is what he has given to many many people both in Ukraine and within Russia.

Yes, I am precisely thinking of Gaza, Ukraine etc when I say the world is going to hell. Things really seem out of control and destabilised right now. I disagree with Trump on many issues but let’s not dehumanise him to the point of thinking this is somehow justifiable.

Teanbiscuits33 · 16/09/2024 07:09

Poiuytrewql · 16/09/2024 06:47

Yes, I am precisely thinking of Gaza, Ukraine etc when I say the world is going to hell. Things really seem out of control and destabilised right now. I disagree with Trump on many issues but let’s not dehumanise him to the point of thinking this is somehow justifiable.

Edited

The irony is, the world is going to hell because of extremist, divisive rhetoric peddled by the likes of Trump & Putin. He is a repugnant man who thrives on dehumanising and scapegoating people. He is evil and probably one of the most deluded people I’ve ever heard when it comes to his own assessment of his competence and self importance. The epitome of a grandiose narcissist. So I can’t say I blame anybody for their less than favourable attitude towards him. He’s dangerous.

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 07:40

Just4thisthreadtoday · 15/09/2024 21:37

Or Trump staging something...again

Moronic comment

dottiehens · 16/09/2024 07:43

Teanbiscuits33 · 16/09/2024 07:09

The irony is, the world is going to hell because of extremist, divisive rhetoric peddled by the likes of Trump & Putin. He is a repugnant man who thrives on dehumanising and scapegoating people. He is evil and probably one of the most deluded people I’ve ever heard when it comes to his own assessment of his competence and self importance. The epitome of a grandiose narcissist. So I can’t say I blame anybody for their less than favourable attitude towards him. He’s dangerous.

Imagine how bad America is at the moment with Biden and Kamala that float voters are backing him up again. This is on the Democrats. If Trump is out of the race. The Democrats would loose anyway. The only thing they have built their campaign on is to hate Trump as he is very dangerous.

EveryDayisFriday · 16/09/2024 08:04

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 07:40

Moronic comment

I don't think it is, my first reaction was that it was staged. Particularly because sympathy and empathy from everyone gave his campaign a surge last time. He is becoming desperate to win at any cost. He is pre empting his loss by slagging off the postal service now, calling them the fraudsters that will lose him the election.

The man is deranged, he believes he is a messiah and his arrogance and ego is unbelievable. He needs to develop some humility but there's no chance of that now, old rich white men don't change their behaviour for the better, they get worse.

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 08:09

EveryDayisFriday · 16/09/2024 08:04

I don't think it is, my first reaction was that it was staged. Particularly because sympathy and empathy from everyone gave his campaign a surge last time. He is becoming desperate to win at any cost. He is pre empting his loss by slagging off the postal service now, calling them the fraudsters that will lose him the election.

The man is deranged, he believes he is a messiah and his arrogance and ego is unbelievable. He needs to develop some humility but there's no chance of that now, old rich white men don't change their behaviour for the better, they get worse.

There is NO WAY he could successfully stage this,and the risk of exposure is so obvious even he would see that. Also, as the response to these events show,the hatred of him,moral relativism, some poor mental health,and access to guns, make a staging unnecessary.

lemontart13 · 16/09/2024 08:12

Actually, I don't see a reason to stage two assassination attempts. The risk and return aren't really comparable. I mean, sure, he might get more support from the right wing, but I don't think he would implement this strategy himself. Plus, if it were really staged, the FBI might be able to find a connection between the shooter and Trump somehow

EveryDayisFriday · 16/09/2024 08:20

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 08:09

There is NO WAY he could successfully stage this,and the risk of exposure is so obvious even he would see that. Also, as the response to these events show,the hatred of him,moral relativism, some poor mental health,and access to guns, make a staging unnecessary.

Most likely isn't staged but like I said my first reaction to the news was that I thought it was, due to Kamala seemingly soaring in popularity. The Trump is desperate enough for power to try anything IMO.

TheCultureHusks · 16/09/2024 08:20

Neves7 · 15/09/2024 22:48

Interesting thought. I hadn’t considered that but now that you mention it does kind of makes sense. If he thinks he’s going to lose or just doesn’t want to deal with it - maybe this would be a convenient excuse?

Edited

It’s a thought isn’t it. I think they now think it’s likely that he’ll lose. I wouldn’t put it past him to announce that he is so reluctantly, the MOST reluctantly EVER, stepping down as thousands of Americans who love him more than anything are begging him not to risk his life 🤷‍♀️

dottiehens · 16/09/2024 08:21

A lot of info is coming out of the affiliations of the man in custody. It is going to be bad for the Democrats.

lemontart13 · 16/09/2024 08:52

dottiehens · 16/09/2024 08:21

A lot of info is coming out of the affiliations of the man in custody. It is going to be bad for the Democrats.

It's funny how his weapon of choice was an AK-47

Derwent01 · 16/09/2024 08:58

XChrome · 16/09/2024 03:20

To me that's irrelevant. Intellectual elitism would make for a political system that is unfair and discriminatory to the working class, and even to the middle class, given the cost of higher education these days.

The assumption that epistocracy would favor the wealthy or highly educated is based on the current state of educational inequality, but an epistocracy could be designed to avoid this. Rather than relying on expensive formal education, tests or civic evaluations could focus on basic knowledge of political systems, current affairs, and policy impacts. Resources like public information campaigns or free courses on civic engagement could level the playing field.

Moreover, the problem is not necessarily with intelligence but with informed understanding. Even with widespread access to information (e.g., Google), many people do not engage with or understand complex issues like climate policy, economic reform, or international relations. A system that rewards informed political participation could encourage more citizens to educate themselves on such issues.

Boomer55 · 16/09/2024 09:11

Gingernaut · 16/09/2024 02:34

Shooter is reported to be a registered Democrat voter

He’s a pro-Ukraine activist who has expressed no political allegiance.🤷‍♀️

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5eewvy3nlo

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 09:17

Pythag · 15/09/2024 22:59

His ear was literally shot! How could he have staged that? Are you stupid?!

No it wasn't. It was caught by some broken glass.