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ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 09:26

Oldseagull · 15/09/2024 23:43

If you are generally against the death penalty for criminals, but giggle and crow over the idea of a political figure you don't like dying, then you should probably take a very deep look inside yourself.

Left, right, democrat, republican. It doesn't matter, a scarily growing number of people have that nasty small side of themselves they keep hidden under the hypocrisy shield.

I think people are giggling and crowing over the fact that this was blatantly not an assassination attempt. Trump was never remotely in danger of dying.

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 09:33

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 09:26

I think people are giggling and crowing over the fact that this was blatantly not an assassination attempt. Trump was never remotely in danger of dying.

Swap Trump for someone you agree with more (Harris, Obama etc) and can you honestly say you'd feel and think the same way? Really?

BettyBardMacDonald · 16/09/2024 09:34

dottiehens · 16/09/2024 08:21

A lot of info is coming out of the affiliations of the man in custody. It is going to be bad for the Democrats.

Sounds like he's a disenchanted Trump voter:

www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-assassination-attempt-investigation-ryan-wesley-routh-florida/

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 09:35

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 08:09

There is NO WAY he could successfully stage this,and the risk of exposure is so obvious even he would see that. Also, as the response to these events show,the hatred of him,moral relativism, some poor mental health,and access to guns, make a staging unnecessary.

Why no way? I suspect it would be only too easy to convince a follower with mental health issues to turn up with a gun. He may even have thought he was protecting Trump.

TallulahBetty · 16/09/2024 09:37

FuzzyDiva · 15/09/2024 21:38

Considering people keep losing their lives, I think it’s reasonable to assume it’s not staged.

Wouldn't put it past Trump to see it as a necessary evil to boost his chances.

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 09:38

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 09:33

Swap Trump for someone you agree with more (Harris, Obama etc) and can you honestly say you'd feel and think the same way? Really?

I was talking about what people who were laughing were thinking and feeling. And no, they wouldn't feel the same way about Harris and Obama, because no-one would remotely feel they were nutty enough to try to stage something like this. It says an awful lot about Trump that people find it credible that he would.

LittleSeasideCottage · 16/09/2024 09:45

If Trump did stage this then it has spectacularly backfired. The shooter is still alive and can talk, he was not shot dead by the Secret Service.

Also, I think at this point this won't damage the Democrats in anyway whatsoever because everyone is joking about it.

Trump is slipping behind and his path to the White House is becoming increasingly unlikely. This just highlights gun violence which the Democrats can counter with.

This will be forgotten by next week. More legal troubles for Trump to come that will vastly overshadow this.

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2024 09:49

StaunchMomma · 15/09/2024 23:58

This was my first thought.

He's getting desperate.

Maybe it's not Trump 'staging' this. I honestly wouldn't put it past the shadowy figures in the Biden/Harris administration to attempt to get him out of the running by arranging an assassination. They've tried by to get him indited on several charges, which is failing. American politics is as corrupt as hell.

RosaMoline · 16/09/2024 09:52

I’m also of the school of thought that thinks the world would be a better place without him, and if that makes me a terrible person, than so be it.
I’ve just seen this. What the fuck is wrong with him?!?

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c06k07dn1zjo

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2024 09:53

Jom222 · 16/09/2024 00:15

They sure have terrible aim don’t they? I’m american and my thoughts are-

this is now looking weird as heck and I wonder if its fake news

why such bad aim by the would be assassins?

I would be relieved if trump died, but murdering isn’t the answer esp so close to election, he can have a heart attack after he loses

I feel its highly suss as the kids say

Relieved because someone dies? Seriously? You would rather he dies than leave the American people to democratically elect who they want as president? Do you approach this thought process in life in general if you feel you're losing or can't get your own way? If he gets in, it's with a majority of people voting him in.

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 09:58

Poiuytrewql · 15/09/2024 23:30

Some of the comments on this thread are disturbing. The world is going to literal hell. We need to stop dehumanising people. Trump does not deserve to be shot. No one does. Basic respect and humanity is needed.

Im not sure you know what "literal" means.

LittleSeasideCottage · 16/09/2024 10:02

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2024 09:49

Maybe it's not Trump 'staging' this. I honestly wouldn't put it past the shadowy figures in the Biden/Harris administration to attempt to get him out of the running by arranging an assassination. They've tried by to get him indited on several charges, which is failing. American politics is as corrupt as hell.

The indictments didn't fail, he was convicted on 34 felony counts and is awaiting sentencing.

The remaining indictments are still running, not failing and more evidence is about to be unleashed into the public domain about Trump's role in Jan 6. This will be released before the election in the evidentiary hearing to be held in the Washington D.C case by Judge Chutkin.

A lot of his legal troubles pre date running for president. He's narrowly escaped jail many times since the 80s. This time it's catching up to him.

Trump's screwed and is going down fast. He doesn't need a shadowy organisation to do it, he's perfectly capable of being a felon all by himself.

Also more sexual assault victims are coming forward.

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 10:20

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 09:35

Why no way? I suspect it would be only too easy to convince a follower with mental health issues to turn up with a gun. He may even have thought he was protecting Trump.

Edited

Because half the country would be looking for any hint of it. And he's not subtle enough. The man got caught paying off a porn star

MissConductUS · 16/09/2024 10:26

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 09:17

No it wasn't. It was caught by some broken glass.

Misinformation and conspiracy theories swirl in wake of Trump assassination attempt

Posts baselessly claim the shooting was staged to benefit Trump politically

As Secret Service members rushed a bleeding Trump off the stage, he paused to pump his fist in the air. An altered version of a widely-shared photo of Trump in this position shows him smiling, as social media users claimed that the event was staged. Other altered photos showed Secret Service members smiling.

Even without digitally altered photos, conspiracy theorists concocted evidence, pointing to an incident in November 2016 when Trump was rushed off the stage at a campaign rally to claim there was a lack of urgency during Saturday's attack. The Russian English-language publication Sputnik International amplified similar claims, writing that the Secret Service was "suspiciously slow."

The theories rose beyond internet trolls. A top political adviser to Democratic donor and LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman wrote in an email to journalists that the shooting was "encouraged and maybe even staged." He later apologized for the comments.

Misinformation and conspiracy theories swirl in wake of Trump assassination attempt

Following a shooter's attempt to kill former President Trump, conspiracy theories, digitally altered images and misinformation spread across social media platforms.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-shooting-misinformation-conspiracy-theories/

dottiehens · 16/09/2024 10:40

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2024 09:49

Maybe it's not Trump 'staging' this. I honestly wouldn't put it past the shadowy figures in the Biden/Harris administration to attempt to get him out of the running by arranging an assassination. They've tried by to get him indited on several charges, which is failing. American politics is as corrupt as hell.

Yes, talk about a party being against Democracy. In plain sight how the Dems have tried everything possible to destroy Trump. They also started this from day one when he was in power in 2016 backed up by the media.

LittleSeasideCottage · 16/09/2024 10:53

dottiehens · 16/09/2024 10:40

Yes, talk about a party being against Democracy. In plain sight how the Dems have tried everything possible to destroy Trump. They also started this from day one when he was in power in 2016 backed up by the media.

😂😂😂

Don't worry, I'm sure he'll find a sympathetic crowd when he joins the J6 choir in an orange jumpsuit.

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 10:56

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 10:20

Because half the country would be looking for any hint of it. And he's not subtle enough. The man got caught paying off a porn star

It doesn't have to be Trump who got his hands dirty. He has more than enough deranged followers.

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 10:57

dottiehens · 16/09/2024 10:40

Yes, talk about a party being against Democracy. In plain sight how the Dems have tried everything possible to destroy Trump. They also started this from day one when he was in power in 2016 backed up by the media.

"Everything possible"? You mean, like fighting a free election which he wouldn't accept he lost? Did they make him commit all those crimes? Were they responsible for his conduct on 6th January?

MargaretThursday · 16/09/2024 12:33

You know Trump's getting desperate when his fan base needs to try and persuade MN!

Mittens67 · 16/09/2024 12:33

I must stop getting my hopes up. Clearly no competent shooters are available.

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 13:21

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 10:56

It doesn't have to be Trump who got his hands dirty. He has more than enough deranged followers.

Again,if this was someone from the left not right,I don't think these ideas would be so freely floated. And it still seems obviously too reckless

justasking111 · 16/09/2024 13:35

Can someone tell me how a guy got an AK47 out of Hawaii and into California

Especially as he had been prosecuted previously for having guns

BruFord · 16/09/2024 13:46

LittleSeasideCottage · 16/09/2024 10:02

The indictments didn't fail, he was convicted on 34 felony counts and is awaiting sentencing.

The remaining indictments are still running, not failing and more evidence is about to be unleashed into the public domain about Trump's role in Jan 6. This will be released before the election in the evidentiary hearing to be held in the Washington D.C case by Judge Chutkin.

A lot of his legal troubles pre date running for president. He's narrowly escaped jail many times since the 80s. This time it's catching up to him.

Trump's screwed and is going down fast. He doesn't need a shadowy organisation to do it, he's perfectly capable of being a felon all by himself.

Also more sexual assault victims are coming forward.

Edited

@LittleSeasideCottage Exactly, he's been dodgy for decades, but no one was too bothered when he was a Democrat and bezzie mates with the Clintons!

Everyone and their dog here knows that the careful timing of the indictments is politically motivated. If he wasn't running again, he'd probably be indicted next year.

It happens all the time in politics. I live in a staunchly Democratic area and have seen instances of this when one politician wants to get rid of a rival in the same party. All of a sudden, evidence of long-standing corruption becomes public. People must've known about it earlier; they hold onto the evidence until it's politically expedient. Politics is definitely a dirty business! Note that I'm not saying that he's not guilty and shouldn't be indicted.

citylightsbehind · 16/09/2024 13:56

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 09:33

Swap Trump for someone you agree with more (Harris, Obama etc) and can you honestly say you'd feel and think the same way? Really?

Trump and his minions certainly thought it was funny when 86-year-old Paul Pelosi was almost killed by a MAGA supporter. Trump still makes fun of it now.

citylightsbehind · 16/09/2024 13:57

BruFord · 16/09/2024 13:46

@LittleSeasideCottage Exactly, he's been dodgy for decades, but no one was too bothered when he was a Democrat and bezzie mates with the Clintons!

Everyone and their dog here knows that the careful timing of the indictments is politically motivated. If he wasn't running again, he'd probably be indicted next year.

It happens all the time in politics. I live in a staunchly Democratic area and have seen instances of this when one politician wants to get rid of a rival in the same party. All of a sudden, evidence of long-standing corruption becomes public. People must've known about it earlier; they hold onto the evidence until it's politically expedient. Politics is definitely a dirty business! Note that I'm not saying that he's not guilty and shouldn't be indicted.

Edited

I'm not sure you understand how the DOJ operates. It's ever so slightly different than local politics. You might want to do a little research on federal grand juries.