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BruFord · 16/09/2024 13:58

BettyBardMacDonald · 16/09/2024 09:34

@BettyBardMacDonald That article, if accurate, is rather sad. The description of his efforts to help in Ukraine sound as if he was losing touch with reality.

This is exactly why we need gun control so that people who aren't mentally well can't get hold of weapons.

BruFord · 16/09/2024 13:58

BettyBardMacDonald · 16/09/2024 09:34

Sorry, accidentally posted twice.

BruFord · 16/09/2024 14:03

citylightsbehind · 16/09/2024 13:57

I'm not sure you understand how the DOJ operates. It's ever so slightly different than local politics. You might want to do a little research on federal grand juries.

@citylightsbehind So you don't think that the timing is politically expedient?

citylightsbehind · 16/09/2024 14:20

BruFord · 16/09/2024 14:03

@citylightsbehind So you don't think that the timing is politically expedient?

Actually, no. If the timing had been politically expedient it wouldn't have run into the election and halted the cases. They would have been done and dusted a year ago. The timing was considerably slower than necessary precisely because the DOJ process is a. very cumbersome with a zillion checks and balances and b. the administration was reluctant to do anything that would appear politicised to the point they allowed the statute of limitations to lapse on the fairly evident fact he illegally took £10m from Egypt.

The Willis, Bragg and NYS civil cases cases may have had more of an element of politics, but the grand jury process in these kinds of cases functions extremely efficiently at weeding out politically motivated prosecution as does a jury trial. (worth remembering that his legal team waived their right to a jury trial in the NYS civil case). The legal process is certainly flawed, and abuses absolutely happen - in all honesty, not generally to wealthy white people - but it's also pretty efficiently structured to be very protective of defendants and wrongful conviction.

citylightsbehind · 16/09/2024 14:22

While there's no certainty it would have stopped this potential shooter, a reminder (from ABC news at the time of the Parkland shooting) that one of the first things Trump did as president was overturn an Obama era law that would make it harder for people with mental illness to possess guns.

-- President Donald Trump has often pointed to mental illness as the underlying cause for mass shootings, but one of his earliest actions as president was to undo a regulation that would have made it more difficult for people with a known mental illness to buy guns.
Nearly a year ago, on Feb. 28, 2017, President Trump signed H.J. Res. 40, effectively ending the Social Security Administration's requirement to enter the names of people who receive mental health benefits into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. This is the database used by the FBI to determine who is able to purchase firearms.

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Just4thisthreadtoday · 16/09/2024 14:29

LastTrainEast · 15/09/2024 23:01

Facebook? or is it Tiktok these days?

@LastTrainEast

No idea? I don't 'do' either 😂 & if I did, I'd drop! 🙄🙄

MissConductUS · 16/09/2024 14:36

citylightsbehind · 16/09/2024 14:20

Actually, no. If the timing had been politically expedient it wouldn't have run into the election and halted the cases. They would have been done and dusted a year ago. The timing was considerably slower than necessary precisely because the DOJ process is a. very cumbersome with a zillion checks and balances and b. the administration was reluctant to do anything that would appear politicised to the point they allowed the statute of limitations to lapse on the fairly evident fact he illegally took £10m from Egypt.

The Willis, Bragg and NYS civil cases cases may have had more of an element of politics, but the grand jury process in these kinds of cases functions extremely efficiently at weeding out politically motivated prosecution as does a jury trial. (worth remembering that his legal team waived their right to a jury trial in the NYS civil case). The legal process is certainly flawed, and abuses absolutely happen - in all honesty, not generally to wealthy white people - but it's also pretty efficiently structured to be very protective of defendants and wrongful conviction.

Edited

I've served on a grand jury in New York. We refused to indict several cases the local prosecutors wanted to proceed with simply because the evidence was weak or the investigation was sloppy. Had there been even a hint of political motivation behind a case, we surely would not have let it go forward.

The grand jury system is a potent check against abusive or casual prosecution.

Just4thisthreadtoday · 16/09/2024 14:44

Blackandbluesed · 15/09/2024 22:10

He's a father and a grandfather and for that reason alone he doesn't deserve to be shot. That said if someone were to succeed it would be Armageddon in America.

@Blackandbluesed

having children & grandchildren has nothing to do with whether he deserves to be shot or not.

i think it's publicity not a genuine assassination attempt, if it were its his actions that would have brought it about. Completely irrelevant to him having children

People without children are no less worthy than those with.

Cattyisbatty · 16/09/2024 14:49

Nowordsformethanks · 15/09/2024 22:40

He's popular because he's not PC. He says and does what nobody else says/does or what only a few would. Shock value or drama sells and draws people in, especially those who have the same views but had no mainstream outlet before.

Most of what comes out of his mouth is utter tripe though, not something your average Joe should even be thinking. Immigrants eating pets, do me a favour!

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 17:33

Autumnchilltime · 16/09/2024 13:21

Again,if this was someone from the left not right,I don't think these ideas would be so freely floated. And it still seems obviously too reckless

I think this has more to do with Trump as a person than whether he is left or right. It would be utterly unthinkable for most politicians, even some of the most loathsome specimens, but unfortunately it seems only too likely in relation to Trump.

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 16/09/2024 17:38

Talking of the unbelievable amount of gibberish he spouts - here's the Michael Spicer/Room Next Door take:

BlackShuck3 · 16/09/2024 17:54

@ClockwiseHoneysuckle thanks for the link😇
Michael Spicer is so good, but I couldnt watch all of it because I cant bear to listen to Trump, his ridiculous way of speaking😖

soupfiend · 16/09/2024 18:10

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2024 09:53

Relieved because someone dies? Seriously? You would rather he dies than leave the American people to democratically elect who they want as president? Do you approach this thought process in life in general if you feel you're losing or can't get your own way? If he gets in, it's with a majority of people voting him in.

The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter

Apparently never said by Churchill. But true.

Mrsgreen100 · 16/09/2024 18:44

He’s able to pay for his own security
maybe sell a “tower” or a “course”
if it’s an issue
can’t help thinking it’s a put up job tbh
he will do anything to stay in the press
wish he would go somewhere like a deserted island with no way off and no communications
he’s a miserable human
can’t believe anyone could vote for such a duplicitous conceited narcissistic toad

PoppyTries · 16/09/2024 18:51

citylightsbehind · 16/09/2024 14:22

While there's no certainty it would have stopped this potential shooter, a reminder (from ABC news at the time of the Parkland shooting) that one of the first things Trump did as president was overturn an Obama era law that would make it harder for people with mental illness to possess guns.

-- President Donald Trump has often pointed to mental illness as the underlying cause for mass shootings, but one of his earliest actions as president was to undo a regulation that would have made it more difficult for people with a known mental illness to buy guns.
Nearly a year ago, on Feb. 28, 2017, President Trump signed H.J. Res. 40, effectively ending the Social Security Administration's requirement to enter the names of people who receive mental health benefits into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. This is the database used by the FBI to determine who is able to purchase firearms.

Florida has:
No background checks for private sales
No owner license
No concealed carry permit requirement
No state permit purchase requirement
No firearm registration requirement
No assault weapon ban
And his party is behind these lax gun laws.

If it was just a regular famous person's house or golf course, it wouldn't have been illegal for this man to be 400 yards away whilst armed. I believe it was only illegal because he was there.

MarvellousMonsters · 16/09/2024 19:33

Just4thisthreadtoday · 15/09/2024 21:37

Or Trump staging something...again

It's incredibly convenient that it happened just after he made an absolute buffoon of him self.

Just4thisthreadtoday · 16/09/2024 20:23

MarvellousMonsters · 16/09/2024 19:33

It's incredibly convenient that it happened just after he made an absolute buffoon of him self.

@MarvellousMonsters

isnt it just!

mind you, that's most days!!

linsey2581 · 16/09/2024 20:28

I’m just amazed it’s taken this long for someone to have a pop at him. I genuinely thought someone would have tried to shoot him when he was The President.

Pippetypoppity · 16/09/2024 21:00

“I just love the drama Melania, I can’t help it - I love it”

Jom222 · 16/09/2024 21:03

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2024 09:53

Relieved because someone dies? Seriously? You would rather he dies than leave the American people to democratically elect who they want as president? Do you approach this thought process in life in general if you feel you're losing or can't get your own way? If he gets in, it's with a majority of people voting him in.

Well I must confess every morning when I open my eyes I hope for a second to read that he’s had a massive heart attack or stroke. Not a fan of murder tbh, even tho I’m American I don’t like guns or violence. But donald trump is the fucking antichrist so I’m not going to waste any tears if any of these fools with guns finally get him.

His words have caused many many deaths! He is evil and dangerous and I’m not denying my utter hatred for him.

I am a big fan of democracy btw, your snide little comments belie your own ignorance.

keffie12 · 16/09/2024 21:19

Oh well what went through my head was "third time ........" no I didn't think that did I? 🫠

I personally think both have been staged

BruFord · 16/09/2024 21:24

@citylightsbehind @MissConductUS Fair enough, I'm a fairly new citizen and can't pretend to know much about the DOJ. I do wonder how the country's become so politically divided, it felt different when I moved here under the Obama presidency, nothing like as extreme.

Back to the suspect, I'm watching CNN and the situation certainly sounds weird. I'm still guessing mental illness, but who knows if he was put up to it. It would be particularly horrible to do that to someone unwell.

Efacsen · 16/09/2024 22:40

Hmm

Suspect did not fire shots and never had sight of Trump, says Secret Service chief

06230villefrancesurmer · 16/09/2024 22:50

Just4thisthreadtoday · 15/09/2024 21:37

Or Trump staging something...again

You would think that with all the guns in America at least one of them could shoot straight...
What, most are thinking the same.
The world would be a better place without Trump & Putin. Nes pass ?.

PyongyangKipperbang · 16/09/2024 22:55

06230villefrancesurmer · 16/09/2024 22:50

You would think that with all the guns in America at least one of them could shoot straight...
What, most are thinking the same.
The world would be a better place without Trump & Putin. Nes pass ?.

He has a massive head too, you would think that out of two goes one of them would have managed it.

Harris played him like a fiddle in the debate, he looked stupid and he knows it and this is his last ditch attempt to get some support. Its pathetic and so bloody obvious. Although actually part of me hopes its a Trump hater trying to make it look like he set it up!