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Thread 7 Starmer : Cats and Conferences

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DuncinToffee · 03/09/2024 23:32

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SerendipityJane · 06/09/2024 19:29

pointythings · 06/09/2024 19:27

Clav, the argument is now more about WHY we are not allowed to know the reason why Charlotte Owens got her peerage. If she was so great and did such great things, we surely are allowed to know? And if she didn't, and didn't earn her peerage by her work... then we have even more reason for needing to know.

Maybe she helped Boris with his "laptop".

Didn't he try to make Jennifer Arcuri Queen ?

Clavinova · 06/09/2024 19:31

Zonder · 06/09/2024 16:33

Firstly people have questioned his appointment. Secondly even if we disagree with jobs for mates, we can see why he ticked the box for Johnson - writing for a right wing machine, being a political director of the Tory party amongst other things. If you think his being male and Charlotte O being female is what makes the difference then you're really missing something.

2dogsandabudgie was echoing comments made by the Private Eye team.

2dogsandabudgie · 06/09/2024 19:32

DuncinToffee · 06/09/2024 19:18

I know you did, you are avoiding the real issue we have been discussing.

Because I think it's in poor taste to speculate about someone's parentage when there is no proof whatsoever.

DuncinToffee · 06/09/2024 19:36

pointythings · 06/09/2024 19:27

Clav, the argument is now more about WHY we are not allowed to know the reason why Charlotte Owens got her peerage. If she was so great and did such great things, we surely are allowed to know? And if she didn't, and didn't earn her peerage by her work... then we have even more reason for needing to know.

Exactly, if she is so great why not celebrate and promote it?

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DuncinToffee · 06/09/2024 19:37

2dogsandabudgie · 06/09/2024 19:32

Because I think it's in poor taste to speculate about someone's parentage when there is no proof whatsoever.

Still avoiding the question

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ilovesooty · 06/09/2024 19:41

DuncinToffee · 06/09/2024 19:01

We will probably see more appearances from Starmer's Siberian cat Grin

I don't think he'll give him a peerage. 😂

Clavinova · 06/09/2024 19:42

CassieMaddox
Slightly missing my point really

I wasn't missing your point at all.

If I was missing your point you would not have gone on to post this;

How did Charlotte come to go to a private school?

How is this information relevant to her appointment?

DuncinToffee · 06/09/2024 19:48

Funny how we still fill these threads with Tory scandals Grin

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Zonder · 06/09/2024 20:24

2dogsandabudgie · 06/09/2024 19:32

Because I think it's in poor taste to speculate about someone's parentage when there is no proof whatsoever.

It would be easy enough to put a stop to any speculation by just making public exactly why Charlotte Owen got the HoL gig.

CassieMaddox · 06/09/2024 20:41

Clavinova · 06/09/2024 19:42

CassieMaddox
Slightly missing my point really

I wasn't missing your point at all.

If I was missing your point you would not have gone on to post this;

How did Charlotte come to go to a private school?

How is this information relevant to her appointment?

Because the information in the public domain is that her mother worked for her brothers forklift truck company. That doesn't appear to be a particularly lucrative job, suggesting Charlotte's family has money from elsewhere as she went to private school. There's nothing about her father.

Her subsequent political connections are also unusual for one so young. That raises questions about how and why. And it's impossible to find anything out to answer those questions.

It adds to the general air of weirdness about the whole scenario.

Notonthestairs · 06/09/2024 20:47

Thanks Blossom.

LlynTegid · 06/09/2024 20:47

newnamethanks · 06/09/2024 18:52

Let's not forget brother Lord Joe Johnson albeit he's a serious politician and I've never heard a word against him. But. Brother of Bojo.

Jo Johnson was nominated by Jeremy Corbyn apparently.

It is not Jo Johnson's fault that his brother is the worst Prime Minister in UK history and a serial killer in all but name, responsible by neglect for over 20,000 avoidable deaths by his inaction.

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2024 20:47

Notonthestairs · 06/09/2024 20:47

Thanks Blossom.

You’re welcome.

LlynTegid · 06/09/2024 20:51

2dogsandabudgie · 06/09/2024 19:32

Because I think it's in poor taste to speculate about someone's parentage when there is no proof whatsoever.

I hope you were never someone who questioned that for the Duke of Sussex, as many did.

2dogsandabudgie · 06/09/2024 20:59

LlynTegid · 06/09/2024 20:51

I hope you were never someone who questioned that for the Duke of Sussex, as many did.

No I didn't, and many times on this site I have pointed out that Princess Diana didn't meet James Hewitt until after Harry was born.

Notonthestairs · 06/09/2024 21:00

I suppose the issue is that for the vast majority of nominations we can understand why someone might be considered valuable in the HoL (through their particular experience) or their influence (party treasurers and donors for example).

We might disagree with such nominations but it's transparent as to why they have been thanked in such a fashion. It is a huge honour and within the scheme of things very few people ever get such an opportunity to wield such influence.

Add to that it is a lifetime role. We do pay for it.

So whilst Owen may well be highly committed to the job, questions were always going to be asked why her and not another SpAd.

Clavinova · 06/09/2024 21:04

BustingBaoBun · 06/09/2024 16:40

Well I never....

Charlotte Owen has attended Lords regularly... in all, she has earned £64,000 in a year for her attendances. She claims a lot in travel expenses. She votes a lot (that is a good thing)

She has been made Vice President for a Co called Better Earth Ltd. There are 3 directors. One is Boris Johnson Shock

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/67789/first-a-peerage-now-a-plum-jobwhy-does-boris-keep-promoting-charlotte-owen

As far as I can see, her published expenses (to March 2024) add up to around £30,000 (over 9 months).

Better Earth was founded by former Tory MP Chris Skidmore -

The former prime minister has announced he will join ex-net zero tsar Chris Skidmore’s company, Better Earth -

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/boris-johnson-chris-skidmore-downing-street-climate-change-committee-british-b2537895.html

Charlotte Owen's Wikipedia page states she worked for Alok Sharma for seven months and I see that she attended COP28 at the end of last year - perhaps Alok Sharma introduced her to Chris Skidmore?

ilovesooty · 06/09/2024 21:05

AFAIAC Johnson should be standing trial for treason. He should never have been able to nominate people for the HOL, regardless of their parentage.

BustingBaoBun · 06/09/2024 21:06

Alwaystired94 · 06/09/2024 19:27

went away for a few days to get used to the new kitten and it’s been over 15 pages?! damn!

kitten tax

Oh my golly good god, what a darling!

Clavinova · 06/09/2024 21:08

CassieMaddox
Because the information in the public domain is that her mother worked for her brothers forklift truck company. That doesn't appear to be a particularly lucrative job, suggesting Charlotte's family has money from elsewhere as she went to private school. There's nothing about her father.

And from that you have deduced that Charlotte Owen must be Boris Johnson's secret love child?

BustingBaoBun · 06/09/2024 21:09

Clavinova · 06/09/2024 21:04

As far as I can see, her published expenses (to March 2024) add up to around £30,000 (over 9 months).

Better Earth was founded by former Tory MP Chris Skidmore -

The former prime minister has announced he will join ex-net zero tsar Chris Skidmore’s company, Better Earth -

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/boris-johnson-chris-skidmore-downing-street-climate-change-committee-british-b2537895.html

Charlotte Owen's Wikipedia page states she worked for Alok Sharma for seven months and I see that she attended COP28 at the end of last year - perhaps Alok Sharma introduced her to Chris Skidmore?

Seven months?

Wowser

itsgettingweird · 06/09/2024 21:26

Don't forget to add cassie that wiki also says that a lot of her internships they've said she has are in question.

If the information out there on one of our peers is questionable it creates more questions than answers.

I'm with those saying if she's a peer in our public tax paid office we have a right to know what she's done to earn that.

I'm another who questions some appointments - but at least we have info on those people and why they were appointed even if we don't agree.

It's not about not agreeing - it's what the silence says.

ilovesooty · 06/09/2024 21:27

There's an annoying buzzing sound in here.

ilovesooty · 06/09/2024 21:29

Apparently my babies are doing well at the cattery.