Super yacht sinking - did the crew bravely survive or did they abandon their the passengers

[mids2019]

So....most of the crew survived this tragedy but the passengers died. Do you think it will emerge the crew should have e done more to alrt the passengers and indeed put their lives in danger to attempt a rescue? Maybe it was all just too fast?

I just think there seems silence from the crew at moment despite being survivors of a sinking vessel who have a story to tell. Are lawyers advising they stay quiet on this?

I wasn't suggesting it was anyone's fault, but several posts above suggest entitlement from the rich passengers, rather than possible poor decisions by the captain or crew.

It’s a tragic accident. It’s also interesting to hear the actions that the highly experienced captain /master of the nearby yacht took in identical weather conditions to see his vessel safely through the storm.

Him and his crew picked up the survivors in the life raft.

Because that’s the way their judicial system works.

Um, ok… I would imagine the culpable shipwreck and manslaughter investigation would cover crew and ship owner (eg checking maintenance was in order) and the owner was one of the rich passengers.

I don’t see how the areas the investigation will cover tells us anything at this stage.

You mean the Italians don't just go, Oh, rich people, probably didn't follow orders, no-one else to blame? I see.

I think they are called hatches.
But I’m no maritime safety expert, unlike everyone else.

You are however an expert on the Italian legal system.

Eh?

Everyone on this thread (including you) is discussing possibilities. Hopefully no one is saying “THIS will be the one true reason” because we simply don’t know.

Leave me alone.

Ok. Not quite sure what your issue is; I have been polite. But sure - let’s leave each other alone.

I just think there seems silence from the crew at moment despite being survivors of a sinking vessel who have a story to tell

ffs they've just escaped form a trauma and you "want a tell all story" and if they don't talk about it, suspicion arises

It really was! I’d only just arrived in the country and I felt terrible, so I can’t even begin to imagine how actual Koreans or long term residents were feeling.

Yes the suicides were awful - the principal of the school group that was on board later died by suicide also. I think there was a feeling of guilt and shame that he had survived while his students hadn’t, as well as the general trauma of it.

I mean how would anyone feel taking children on a trip then returning with most or a significant number of them dead? 😣

I’m sure a full investigation will be conducted.

Indeed.

Agreed- It’s a public forum- People are going to speculate, as is human nature.
People are also going to disagree, if people can’t handle that, best steer clear of all Internet discussion forums.

It’s silly to take umbrage just because someone is salty online, but it happens.
🤔.

And there's no need to continue to stir it up, both posters had agreed to let it go. So why do jt?

Yet here you are!
Putting your two cents in!

Yes, and wondering why you are shit stirring (still).

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Has anyone come across more information regarding either yachts dragging their anchors or what kind of alarm systems there usually is for that. Is it a little bleep on the instrument panel or something loud like a fire alarm?

Maybe being at anchor, so close to the coast and on such a well appointed boat gave everyone, crew and passengers, a misplaced sense of security, hence open portholes and as I've read somewhere, possibly tender deck not fully closed.

"Yes the crew have a responsibility to save the lives of their wealthy passengers at any cost to themselves. Their own lives and family responsibility are insignificant in comparison."

No one here - or any reasonable person - is saying that.

In the final few seconds, when it was clear than the boat was sinking, of course the priority of the crew would have been to save themselves.

But it appears that there was a much longer period -15 minutes or so - when action should have been taken, both to try to avert the boat sinking and to warn those who were asleep that they might need to evacuate.

We will need the investigation to determine what action was taken and whether it was sufficient in the circumstances.

Pot - kettle - black?

where is the report?
thanks

This isn't similar to staff in a hotel. This is more like if your house catches fire. You wouldn't(shouldn't) expect your cleaner to risk her/his live to get you out of the house. Her/his responsibility is only to not do anything to cause a fire.

The crew of this yacht will only be in trouble if their actions - or lack of - caused the yacht to sink. They won't be in trouble for not rescuing the owners or the owners' guests.

I wonder how that lady with the baby got out so fast…

It seems a bit pointless to add to the trauma of the crew who survived by blaming them for the loss of other lives. From all accounts it happened so fast. They will have a battle recovering from the ordeal as it is ( bear in mind this is their career) and I think it’s unnecessary to heap more guilt upon thfm by even discussing it really. If there was negligence I’m sure that will come to light. I know someone who survived a tragedy ( for which he was not remotely responsible). He spent years overcoming survivor guilt. It seems to be a very real thing .

I can assure you the MAIB go out very quickly to all incidents where UK nationals are involved. Nothing to see here.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/marine-accident-investigation-branch-current-investigations/marine-accident-investigation-branch-current-investigations

That's twice today I have come across the expression 'black swan event' - the other being an education blog I follow. I have never heard it before. How strange coincidence is.