Super yacht sinking - did the crew bravely survive or did they abandon their the passengers

[mids2019]

So....most of the crew survived this tragedy but the passengers died. Do you think it will emerge the crew should have e done more to alrt the passengers and indeed put their lives in danger to attempt a rescue? Maybe it was all just too fast?

I just think there seems silence from the crew at moment despite being survivors of a sinking vessel who have a story to tell. Are lawyers advising they stay quiet on this?

sorry, I just dont believe in these sorts of "coincidences". I am not some mad conspiracy theorist who sees these sorts of things absolutely everywhere. but the british marine investigators were straight out there when the sinking was confirmed and I dont believe that they would do that every time. The codefendent was out on a run, a regular route. Big businesses have much to lose and they have money to cover things up. There is a lot more disquiet about this in the business world than we are currently seeing.

Sorry what, you think it is suspicious that the MAIB were taking the sinking of a super yacht with the loss of 7 lives seriously?

The timing of it all is quite incredible, and apparently the tech tycoon had organised the trip to celebrate him being cleared of fraud charges in the US. I don’t know enough about yachting and safety procedures etc but that is quite a coincidence! Not really sure the crew are accountable for what happened either as they are more hired help from what I do know about yachting, it’s not the same as a commercial flight.

Somebody ordered the boat out or to stay out when there were weather warnings which resulted in fishing boats staying in port.

The crew don't own decision or have a say in that risk, they can advise or recommend. As pp say - on a private boat, your job and future job depends on employer goodwill and their taking risk warnings seriously. They give the orders be that for staying at see or insisting hatches are open. We don't know if for some reason they missed the warnings which kept other boats in port or ignored them. That would be simple speculation.

Either way - chamber maids should not be expected to be firefighters and the survival factor was most likely being on or close to deck versus being in the premium areas.

Since internet days, the World loves a good old conspiracy theory.

The woman driver was paid to plough in to Stephen Chamberlain?

A storm was conjured up by whistling to sink The Baysian?

There undoubtedly are revenge killings, but unlikely in this instance.

The captain of the Sir Robert Baden, Karsten Borner:“We were awakened by the storm. The first thing I did was to start the engines of my sailboat to give more stability to the vessel. After securing our boat, we immediately approached the Bayesian.’

as per linked Guardian article above.

There was about 16 minutes to save themselves.

I can't just keep linking the same article from the Guardian...

I agree with this.

Yes - cock up rather than conspiracy is far more likely, not wishing to make light of the deaths of these people or the grief of their families.

The crew were probably working - clearing up the common areas aftet the passengers had retired to their rooms, washing down the decks, putting away anything loose on the decks & inside due to incoming bad weather.

There was an element if bad luck to yhe incident, a water spout isn't that large yet they were on its route.

I feel very sorry for the crew; it must have been a terrifying ordeal and then all the speculation. The trauma &/or their association with this event may mean they never sail again.

Well if that's not proving that it was his job I do not know what it is. You are making my point.

At 3.30 or 4 in the morning?

If a storm was flaring up then I imagine the crew were on deck tying things down etc. You're never truly off duty as yacht crew.

There are huge numbers of questions about this but it doesn't suprise me at all that most of the crew were on deck

Having watched that show Below Deck it sounds believable that they could have been working. Being the crew on a yacht looks like really hard work and it seems like you’re never really off duty, at least that’s how it came across.

The very very wealthy are always looking for the next thrill maybe
@BustingBaoBun
Situated so far up the totem pole that the rest of us are rendered mere ants. They start to feel god-like and fly too close to the sun.

That's different to "washing the decks" as the poster I quoted described it.

@WestwardHo1

"It was a liferaft.

These can be deployed and inflated in seconds, as a boat is sinking. You literally have to pull the hydrostatic release. Sea survival training includes getting into a liferaft from the water, and retrieving others.

It's not like it was on the Titanic."

Exactly and from what the survivors said the life raft self inflated itself after the sinking through the hydrostatic release.

Because it capsized so quickly there was no time for a manual release.

I had exactly the same in holiday about 12 years or so ago. It was a big hotel. We got straight out with the DC. Then came those fully dressed with all their suitcases and belongings with them.

@blueshoes

"There was another smaller yacht Sir Robert Baden, next to the Bayesian that night which survived. I wonder what safety measures it took."

The main difference was that the master of the Baden started the engines to be able to better control the vessel (bow to wind) and avoid the anchor dragging.

Didn’t read the full thread, but as someone who work for the wealthy and often end up on their yacht or their private jets, I believe my life matters as much as the one of anyone else. As a nanny (and human being) I would attempt to save the kids first and foremost as best as I could even if it meant losing my life, BUT I wouldn’t drown to save my bosses. I love them but I also know they wouldn’t risk their lives to save mine. I would get myself (and the kids) to safety and THEN look for help for them, if possible. I would expect them to do the same in reverse.

In fact you wouldn’t expect the amount of time our lives are put at risk/ in danger working for some of the wealthy. How many times I have ended up in cars (with kids on board) going WAY above the speeding limits, in a way that it would be impossible to survive any kind of crash. The fact that private jets tend to crash more than commercial airplanes (I therefore don’t like flying private), or that those families are more likely to be target of crimes. And yet you know that the security teams have clear instructions to focus on the kids and “principals” only in case something bad was to happen.
So I am under no illusion that wealthy people take the safety of their staff seriously or as something paramount as most simply don’t, and others even go further and have a complete disregard for staff safety and well-being with some of the things they request. So as a member of staff I would put my safety into my own hands and wouldn’t try to save other adults until I knew I could survive myself and even be of help. (In the case of a sinking yacht I would barely be fit to save myself tbh.)

A lot of us already work 24 hours shifts for them for weeks or months on end, with no or very little breaks, so I think many of us sacrifice enough of our lives as it is. To be expected to die for our boss, just because a tragedy is happening in our workplace isn’t reasonable to me.

I think people wouldn’t expect a secretary to put her life at risk to save her boss if the building was on fire. So I think that yes, if there is ever a chance to save someone without putting one safety at risk then it should always be done, but beyond that, I don’t even think the crew should ever have to justify why they didn’t save anyone but themselves in a situation that was likely extremely fast, traumatic and with no proper reaction time to take action.

it’s like expecting a chamber maid to run into a burning hotel to rescue guests.

Some people do expect this, though. The sense of entitlement is unreal. Look at those threads about leaving young children alone in a hotel room - people always say, "If there's a fire, the staff will get them." Why the hell should underpaid staff essentially be expected to do the job of firefighters in an emergency?

Even so, Italian prosecutors are investigating potential manslaughter charges.

So where do you think the boat should have gone? It can't go into a non existent port, there are few ports large enough for a non commercial yacht of that size. The protocol is to stay in a protected area as much as you can, depending upon the wind direction. So at anchor off shore. That's exactly what it did.

If you're not a sailor it's difficult to understand, but boats that size are built to sail. If you're in the middle of the ocean in a force 9± there's nowhere to go, you sail through it.

My parents have had the misfortune to have several fire alarms whilst staying in a hotel.
All false alarm as such. Various reasons for that.

The first time, they were out like a flash in their pj on. No shoes.
Waited hours outside until they were told they could go back in.
Second time, they took a coat and handbag. (And shoes!)
Now they get dressed first. They come down dressed with a coat. And handbag etc. Not suitcase. But they wouldn’t just come out asap anymore…..

They have opened an investigation into potential manslaughter and culpable shipwreck charges, whilst stressing that these are not, at this stage, against any specific individuals. Just as we have inquests into sudden deaths, which may resolve very quickly if it is obvious that someone died in an accidental fall etc.

The charges are a possible outcome because the investigation has just started and has to cover all bases. It is far from clear yet if there is any criminal fault.