Super yacht sinking - did the crew bravely survive or did they abandon their the passengers

[mids2019]

So....most of the crew survived this tragedy but the passengers died. Do you think it will emerge the crew should have e done more to alrt the passengers and indeed put their lives in danger to attempt a rescue? Maybe it was all just too fast?

I just think there seems silence from the crew at moment despite being survivors of a sinking vessel who have a story to tell. Are lawyers advising they stay quiet on this?

It had the tallest aluminium mast in the world (the second tallest overall), with corresponding huge sails.

The sails would have been down for a storm. What effect the mast/keel etc. had here, only the designers know.

(And even they may not know until it's established if the yacht was hit by a down burst from the thunder storm, presuming it can be established).

So it would seem. Thanks. He was in a coma for several weeks and was in the front seat. Will ask for post to be taken down.

Well of course, (we hope), but the size and weight of the mast alone is a huge liability in stormy conditions!

She's referring to the Titan, on its journey to view the Titanic wreck.

Not the Titanic disaster.

I was in a hotel fire years back. Around 150 guests. The fire wasn't big, and it was quickly contained, but there was a genuine fire caused by an electrical fault.
It was cold, wet and windy, which I think affected people's reactions.

The fire alarm went off at about midnight. We grabbed the children in blankets and left down the fire exit. It was a full five minutes before anyone else appeared at all, and fifteen minutes before most people started coming out. Everyone else had got dressed before coming out and a number of people brought suitcases and belongings out.
The staff told us later that they were banging on doors and trying to get people out and people wouldn't hurry. They said people even popped their head out of the door, concluded the fire wasn't near them and refused to come out. Some of the staff were in tears when they came out from the stress.

So I can believe that the passengers didn't necessarily take safety instructions the crew gave and may well have gone to sleep assuming the crew would handle it, even if they were advised to stay on deck.

It wont come out in any investigation but I would bet that there is a something even more sinister going on here than at first look. experienced crew/captains dont leave doors open when a storm is forecast. and I think it is way too coincidental that there are two defendents in a long running, very very expensive legal battle with a large powerful corporation and both of them die on the same day. One as a result of a hit and run and the other in a drowning. I think these kind of "accidents" are far more common than any of us realise. Two whistleblowers in relation to boeing are dead in mysterious circumstances and so I for one would not be surprised if in years to come it turns out that these were contract murders.

But it's size and weight would be considered and proportioned (to the yacht, including its keel) in the design.

Terrible way to go though.

Does anyone know if the mainsail furled into the boom or the mast? If the latter it would have affected stability even when not sailing.

But the thing is, you and we don't know what happened yet. You don't know it was the simply strength of the storm that caused the sinking and that therefore this should have been predicted. It's possible that, having looked at the forecasts, and knowing the specifications of the yacht, the captain decided that they would be ok. I don't imagine you can even tell us what strength to storm was forecast to be, or what kind of effect local conditions have on certain wind directions, or the kind of effects that specific weather events could have had on this particular vessel. Remember the storm of '87 and the completely unforecast sting jet, which was the factor that did all the damage? Obviously things have moved on significantly since then in terms of weather forecasts, but increasingly warmer waters are making storms more volatile and their progress more unpredictable.

You have said yourself that you are no sailor, and you don't seem to know much about meteorology either. This makes your speculation baseless.

Until an investigation has all the facts, it is not on to blame the crew for the sinking.

experienced crew/captains dont leave doors open when a storm is forecast

But does anyone know that doors (or any openings) were left open, or is that speculation?

Basically bombproof like the Titanic was unsinkable and the RORO ferry tragedy some years ago could never have happened? Human error, if that is what it was, combined with natural forces, time of day etc means that no means of transport is bombproof. All you can do on boats anyway is make sure that everyone knows the drills and has access to a life belt that works.

The yacht manufacturer was claiming it. He of course had a motive for spreading the story that there was crew error, so I am reserving judgment until it comes out at the inquiry.

I just read the mainsail was furled into the boom.

My post was not about the Titanic. It was about the submersible that was going down to it last year when everyone died

Thanks.

But they're unlikely to claim something factual/recordable that is totally untrue ... If proven untrue they then look like total liars as well as incompetent.
They are probably going to be asked for info.
in the investigation.

It sounds like they have that info. (remotely) from systems on the yacht.

The authorities are not going to comment on anything at all until they gather all available info and investigate.

Schettino wasn't convicted because of some diffuse ethics code - the Coast Guard ordered him back on board to coordinate the rescue and he didn't comply.

The Coastguard, Gregorio de Falco was magnificent! ''Vada a bordo, cazzo!''

''Get the F&ck on board!''

Performance considered in a storm, tornado, waterspout? Clearly not.

There is all manner of innovative engineering which can only perform within certain parameters. Giant mast and freak storm are not compatible. The most design can do is attempt to mitigate some of the additional risk.

Seas, oceans, climate patterns, these are all inherently unpredictable.
That's the part humans tend to forget in our envelope-pushing designs.

I used to work in yachting and this whole event has totally shaken me.
What I know for sure is that yacht builder can not accept anything other than the captain being found completely to blame. The ceo of the yacht builder is already in the press and it won't stop.
Crew won't be held responsible but potentially the captain though he will have liability insurance. I feel very very sorry for him. Rightly or wrongly- if the boss wants the windows open, the windows are open. Luxury yachting is a whole other level . I am going to keenly watch this thread because I would love someone with more recent industry experience to comment

I mean the timing is quite a coincidence and it was the tech tycoon who had organised this trip I believe? But it might just be a huge coincidence…

It is a horrible coincidence. That is all.

And can people please stop saying Stephen Chamberlain was killed in a hit and run? The driver (a 49 year old woman) stayed on the scene and is helping police with their enquiries.

Makes sense.

You can see that the sails were not there (erm, I am not a yachty so forgive my lingo) from the final images of the yacht before it went down in the storm.

I wonder if these can be counted as climate change deaths.