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Thread 6 Starmer: We're going to need a bigger skip!

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InMySpareTime · 19/08/2024 14:34

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BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 17:13

HannibalHeyes · 29/08/2024 13:28

Yeah, all Labour's fault...

Where did your graph come from HH? It needs to shoved under some noses on another thread.

Notonthestairs · 29/08/2024 17:16

It's in the IFS report

ifs.org.uk/articles/home-office-budgeting-and-asylum-overspends

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 17:17

Thank you 🥰

HannibalHeyes · 29/08/2024 18:13

I'm not sure the smoking ban in pubs is a good idea. The hospitality industry is struggling horrendously at the moment. Maybe having specific areas of limited size would be a better idea?

And, frankly, there are far more urgent things to be dealt with at the moment...

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2024 18:19

HannibalHeyes · 29/08/2024 18:13

I'm not sure the smoking ban in pubs is a good idea. The hospitality industry is struggling horrendously at the moment. Maybe having specific areas of limited size would be a better idea?

And, frankly, there are far more urgent things to be dealt with at the moment...

Every smoker less is a saving of £250,000 to the NHS.

prettybird · 29/08/2024 18:22

If you use Trussonomics logic, every person who does from untreated on the NHS cancer is even more of a saving ConfusedAngry

prettybird · 29/08/2024 18:23

"Who dies " Blush

On App, so can't edit Blush

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2024 18:39

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/28/priti-patel-leadership-membership-cabinet-minister/

Once again, showing they have learned nothing.

Who gives a shit what "Tory members" want ? It's the voters you need to convince.

I can tell you now that a policy suite that keeps Tory members happy will - luckily - also keep them well out of power for decades.

Priti Patel understands Tory members the most, says ex-cabinet minister

Wendy Morton, who was Liz Truss’s chief whip, endorses Dame Priti’s leadership campaign, lauding her ‘common-sense’ politics

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/28/priti-patel-leadership-membership-cabinet-minister

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2024 18:40

prettybird · 29/08/2024 18:22

If you use Trussonomics logic, every person who does from untreated on the NHS cancer is even more of a saving ConfusedAngry

(Rather sniffily) I was using Trussonics - that is a completely made up number. I am far too busy and important to waste time with trivial details.

RafaistheKingofClay · 29/08/2024 18:57

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2024 18:39

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/28/priti-patel-leadership-membership-cabinet-minister/

Once again, showing they have learned nothing.

Who gives a shit what "Tory members" want ? It's the voters you need to convince.

I can tell you now that a policy suite that keeps Tory members happy will - luckily - also keep them well out of power for decades.

I am very pro the Tory leadership candidates fighting to appeal to the Tory membership. Especially now they are a total irrelevance and nobody cares

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2024 19:03

RafaistheKingofClay · 29/08/2024 18:57

I am very pro the Tory leadership candidates fighting to appeal to the Tory membership. Especially now they are a total irrelevance and nobody cares

Indeed. It's hilarious. It has the same energy and intellectualism of a 6th form mock election party. Only slight less chance of winning an election.

I may have said it before, but - if there is any hope for the Tories - then the MP who will lead them to election has not yet been selected. In fact, they may not even be a member at the moment.

Quite why they think a one of six failed MPs where were told exactly where to shove it in no uncertain terms by the electorate will be the winning choice I have no idea.

You don't lose 240 seats down the back of the sofa.

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 19:05

Me too. The next leader is an irrelevance anyway, they’ll only last until they’ve lost the next election. It’s the one after that we need to worry about. They’re obviously slow learners.

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2024 19:05

Meanwhile, something nice.

Thread 6 Starmer: We're going to need a bigger skip!
prettybird · 29/08/2024 19:10

@SerendipityJane Grin My bad Wink

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 19:27

That is nice. 😊

Notonthestairs · 29/08/2024 20:11

Oh good grief. Esther McVey has used Pastor Niemoller's words and applied them to the suggested smoking limits.

Bad taste doesn't cover it.

(No I'm not going to link to her tweet)

itsgettingweird · 29/08/2024 20:17

SerendipityJane · 29/08/2024 19:05

Meanwhile, something nice.

Love that!

itsgettingweird · 29/08/2024 20:18

And on the same theme as nice things. If anyone doesn't watch or hasn't yet watched The Last Leg in Paris from last night Alex Booker's opening speech is brilliant.

Made me well up

DuncinToffee · 29/08/2024 20:32

I missed that speech, have been watching the swimming tonight

Zonder · 29/08/2024 20:52

DuncinToffee · 29/08/2024 16:53

What's not to like

I expect the pubs of Clacton are devastated.

RafaistheKingofClay · 29/08/2024 21:44

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 19:05

Me too. The next leader is an irrelevance anyway, they’ll only last until they’ve lost the next election. It’s the one after that we need to worry about. They’re obviously slow learners.

I don’t think it’s a given they will last that long. The reason they’ve had one referendum and 5 leaders in 14 years is the party are so split as to be ungovernable and they still haven’t solved that issue.

I’m guessing that whoever has to try and unite the mad right with the one nation Tories has an issue that Starmer didn’t really have when trying to sort out the Labour Party. Namely, Farage and the idea that part of the party might split off and join reform.

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 21:57

I think they’ve got another election in them and it will take another catastrophic result to bring them to their senses. I tend to agree that their next successful leader (if they have one) probably hasn’t been elected yet.

Rummly · 29/08/2024 22:09

RafaistheKingofClay · 29/08/2024 21:44

I don’t think it’s a given they will last that long. The reason they’ve had one referendum and 5 leaders in 14 years is the party are so split as to be ungovernable and they still haven’t solved that issue.

I’m guessing that whoever has to try and unite the mad right with the one nation Tories has an issue that Starmer didn’t really have when trying to sort out the Labour Party. Namely, Farage and the idea that part of the party might split off and join reform.

You’re right IMO about the problem facing the Tories.

But you’re wrong about Starmer and Labour. In the same way that Blair was able to sideline the Labour left because power was finally in sight, so with Starmer. But the left came back during Blair’s and Brown’s and Miliband’s times in charge. It then took over. And it will come back to haunt Starmer.

Benefit cuts, lack of willingness to subsidise or bail out loss-making industries, fuel prices, Israel, relationships with the US, NHS reform, military aid to Ukraine, and very possibly military intervention elsewhere, net zero costs to ordinary voters, these are all flash points. There will be others. And the tendency to move left isn’t an intellectual, considered position; it’s an emotional, populist one. They’ll be back.

Which leads to splits. Any more WFA style policies and it’ll be sooner rather than later.

DuncinToffee · 29/08/2024 22:26

Notonthestairs · 29/08/2024 20:11

Oh good grief. Esther McVey has used Pastor Niemoller's words and applied them to the suggested smoking limits.

Bad taste doesn't cover it.

(No I'm not going to link to her tweet)

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PandoraSox · 29/08/2024 22:56

God, McVey has really outdone herself. I'm speechless.