If we suddenly had to go into a 3 month lockdown again, how would you feel?

[LaurieFairyCake]

I think people would definitely comply. If it was Mpox I would want a smallpox vaccine as it's somewhat effective.

IIt's t selfish to say you had a lovely lockdown of course.

But It is selfish to say you would love to have another one, especially now knowing the permanent devastating effects it had.

Exactly. People who don’t want a lockdown would use bikes or share lifts if the buses stop, gather at friends’ houses if they can’t go to pubs and restaurants, organize babysitting pools if childcare/schools close. Policing is always “by consent” - the police do not have the resources to monitor everyone’s behavior all the time.

It isn’t going to happen anyway, so it’s a pointless argument.

Someone said smallpox vaccine protects against Monkey Pox.

I watched a programme about Grave removals who disinterred ancient graves to make way for building sites and the staff had to have smallpox vaccine

This meant older U.K. people or young Eastern Europeans who still were vaccinated routinely.

Monkey pox looks horrible, like a disease from
the past.

we complied to most (not all) of the rules in lockdown.
Thankfully the weather was nice and we were out most days walking our dogs.
I did delete / unfollow a few groups on FB though, sick of people bullying others for taking advantage of their daily walk to get exercise & fresh air… dog owners in particular got the brunt of it as usual, being told dogs don’t need walking and to stay in doors!..
I got sick of selfish greedy people buying 10 packs of pasta, 2000 rolls of toilet paper etc…
Home schooling wouldn’t be so easy now eaither… very different teaching year 4 work to year 9!!

The idiots buying dogs and dumping them make many really justifiably angry.

Fortunes were made back yard breeding at that time.
£22,000 cash in hand from one litter made by a local woman.
The dog buying was crazy.

Back yard breeders dream.

Of course it's ok for people to say they loved the lock down, the same as it's ok for people to say they hated it (which I did and wouldn't ever want to do it again). I fail to see how it's "narrow minded" to think that.

Id imagine there will be mass vaccines with nurses attending schools and injecting the whole school in a day,
min fact if they’re aware of this disease why aren’t they vaccinating now to prevent the spread and prevent lockdown. Our country can’t really afford another lockdown

It's not selfish to say you had a good lockdown.
BUT what is selfish is to say you would love another as we now know the devastating irreversible effects it had.

People die of flu every year. People have long lingering effects from viruses other than covid. My eldest DD had 2 years if joint pain after a bad cold when she was in primary school. It was awful.

But these things do not justify a lockdown and neither did covid.

I think we'd cope better if it happened again. But there should be consequences for selfish idiots who put others at risk.

I hated it but I don’t want to die from Mpox so I guess I’d have to see what the risks were. I guess people can take their own risks but it’s overwhelming the NHS that makes it selfish to not comply, as then people with other illnesses / accidents can’t be treated either.

@Beezknees yes but I was replying to someone that said it was only sexually transmitted so want to make the point that it is not the case with this strain.

Hopefully it would be significantly less serious here, but whereas with covid when I wasn't remotely worried about my child, the WHO says that children are at greater risk of severe mpox than adults. Soy point is, that IF it comes to that, I would do whatever necessary to protect my child.

The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC) raised its risk alert level for mpox on Friday, and asked countries to maintain high levels of awareness among travellers visiting from affected areas.
The agency said it now sees a “moderate” risk of mpox, compared to “low” earlier, for the broader population…

Children under 15 now account for more than 70% of the mpox cases and 85% of deaths in Congo.

Mpox…is also spread between humans, notably through skin-to-skin contact with an infected person, through sex or talking or breathing close to an ill person.

You wouldn’t know if someone is infected and contagious before the pustules appear or they visibly have a fever.

The UK is beginning to stockpile vaccinations, but these will be targeted to gay men as they are the ones most likely to catch monkeypox as it is already spreading in that group. Kids are not sexually actively so will not be in this initial target group.

Your kids hug their friends and share pencils and equipment in school.

The elderly are actually better protected than the young because they would probably have had the smallpox vaccine. Routine smallpox vaccination in the UK ended in 1971.

I guess if you don’t like your kids much - or anyone else’s for that matter - then you’ll ignore any advice to prevent transmission, not just a hypothetical lock down.

What do we know about the resurgence of mpox in Africa?

I'm not sure, it depends on the vaccine, I had it as a baby in the late 50s, I think it wasn't a very nice vaccine and at some stage wasn't advised if you had eczema because of a side effect. The newer vaccine is probably much better but there is that to consider.

Good summary

They are vaccinating against monkeypox.

But only for gay men and prostitutes.

Nothing for children.

The NHS is offering smallpox vaccination to people who are most likely to be exposed to mpox.

Who can get an mpox vaccination at a vaccination site
Vaccination sites are offering smallpox vaccination to:

• men who are gay, bisexual or have sex with other men, and who have multiple partners, participate in group sex or attend sex-on-premises venues
• staff who work at sex-on-premises venues

Find an MPox Vaccination Site

It would be very worrying if it starts to spread here. It will take a while to ramp up production of the vaccine and there would be a shortage for a while.

i was reading there is no proven treatment. Although antivirals used for smallpox might help

Trouble is with the lockdowns, the NHS (in places) wasn't treating other thing either!

My OH with cancer had his chemo infusions cancelled starting the week of the first full lockdown and it wasn't until July that they started them again!

So I just won't believe the narrative that lockdowns were essential to keep the NHS going for other things. In places, "other things" stopped too.

Our oncology dept actually closed down during the lockdowns. Patients (who were deemed worthy of treatment) had to go to the next county for treatment. My OH wasn't deemed worthy so was just left behind.

When lockdowns affect cancer treatments, you know that it was a big fat lie that lockdowns were necessary so that the NHS could concentrate on other things - there's nothing more serious than cancer treatments! Treatments, diagnoses, etc should have continued seemlessly, but they didn't!

Depends on your definition of "put others at risk".

Everything in life is a risk.

I'd say it's worse for people like the 3 million excluded from Covid support schemes, some of whom were prevented by law from working their own livelihoods despite being very low risk, some losing their livelihoods, their businesses, some losing their homes and some losing their lives after they'd lost everything else.

It does indeed.

Lockdown puts some people at greater risk. Those who aren't amongst that group but want lockdown could just as easily be accused of being selfish. On the idiots point, the idea that we'd cope better now after the colossal impacts of the last one and with much greater public disengagement is, well, an interesting take.

Absolutely. Dying of covid/MPox or being debilitated by their side effects is only one "risk" in the equation. Lots of other "risks" of lockdowns/restrictions have to be taken into account, such as loss of livelihood/income/savings, worsening mental health due to lockdowns, poorer educational outcomes, impact on the economy, effect of delayed treatment of patients with other conditions, etc. You can't just say "we have to lockdown because someone may die of covid/mpox" without assessing the risks of other people dying because of lack of NHS treatment, suicide due to losing their business/livelihood, suicide to due worsening mental health due to lockdowns, etc. It's a huge "equation" and the decision as to what precautions/restrictions are taken next time must consider all the different conflicting risks - and not based solely on number of people who may die of the disease itself. Harsh but true!

Exactly. I have read on here " I want a lockdown to get out of weddings" " I want lockdown so I can do my 'life laundry'" " I want another lockdown if it's glorious weather and to enjoy a slower pace of life"

Selfish, short sighted, tone deaf idiots the lot of them 😡

Brilliant ! Loved it before.

I liked town being empty and people keeping their distance. It's hard to replicate that!

It's hard to replicate because it's not sustainable, financially or otherwise. Businesses need customers to actually survive.

Did you "like" the financial costs of lockdowns, i.e. higher interest rates, inflations, tax rises, etc?