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If we suddenly had to go into a 3 month lockdown again, how would you feel?

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LaurieFairyCake · 15/08/2024 22:52

I think people would definitely comply. If it was Mpox I would want a smallpox vaccine as it's somewhat effective.

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OpalBird · 17/08/2024 00:03

Differentstarts · 17/08/2024 00:03

Have people actually seen what it looks like I'd never leave the house again if their was a chance of catching this

Photos are going to showcase the worst cases.

wrongthinker · 17/08/2024 00:05

I wouldn't comply. I'd be scared and pissed off about the removal of my liberty. As I was the first time around.

SportGirl · 17/08/2024 00:37

Billydavey · 16/08/2024 10:53

But you can’t say that because lockdowns prevented the worst scenarios. It’s not about comparing impacts of lockdown vs no Covid deaths, it’s about comparing impacts of lockdown to what would have happened without them.

this is a basic thing that so many people don’t get

Well you can lock yourself down on your own while the rest of us carry on with life

SportGirl · 17/08/2024 00:39

Twoshoesnewshoes · 16/08/2024 23:09

Yeah I’d love another short lockdown.
I’ve got lots of decorating to get on with and my garden is looking good.

You do realise the government can't afford another furlough scheme.

spaceshooter · 17/08/2024 00:43

Not a chance. Last lockdown I ended up sinking 3 bottles of vodka a week and had a complete mental breakdown.

Never again.

InWalksBarberalla · 17/08/2024 00:52

Differentstarts · 17/08/2024 00:03

Have people actually seen what it looks like I'd never leave the house again if their was a chance of catching this

Yeah I think if a disease that made people look like that was running rampant many people would restrict their movements. If it was also paired with a high death rate though society would break down so it wouldn't be a matter of hanging around at home waiting for deliveries.
Luckily I don't think Mpox will get to that - should be fairly easily contained with ring vaccinations.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 17/08/2024 01:08

WhiteButtonMoon
This makes me feel so angry.
The government paying people to have a lovely time at home.
I was angry about furlough at the time, and I'm even angrier about it now. As in really, really angry about it.

Do you think people should have been left destitute instead through no fault of their own?"

Lockdown happened when I was in the tenth month of self employment. Previously I had worked full time for 25 years, paid tax and NI. The company I worked for folded and everyone lost their job. Self employment was going well, full time hours and healthy turnover. Then bam, lockdown and I wasn't eligible for furlough because I hadn't been self employed for long enough. There was no financial help for me, nothing. It felt and still does feel very unfair, it ruined me financially and I lost everything.

Reading the comments on this thread from people who are understandably incredulous towards any suggestion that furlough was wrong or unnecessary is really difficult. If so many people feel that not having furlough would have been unacceptable then how is it that people in my shoes were expected to go without.....

colourfulchinadolls · 17/08/2024 05:19

WhiteButtonMoon · 16/08/2024 22:13

37 people have agreed with me.

Doesn't mean your comment wasn't silly.

steadywinner · 17/08/2024 07:47

I wouldn't follow it.

During the last lockdown my dm was having cancer treatment and it was terminal. The fact that we weren't supposed to hug her at the time when she needed it most still bothers me (we did hug her from behind occasionally!)

The rules were just ludicrous, especially when places partly opened up. You can dance or sit down without a mask on but you have to wear it to stand at the bar or walk to the toilet. What the fuck 🤷🏼‍♀️

Peakpeakpeak · 17/08/2024 09:01

Wishitwasstraightforward · 17/08/2024 01:08

WhiteButtonMoon
This makes me feel so angry.
The government paying people to have a lovely time at home.
I was angry about furlough at the time, and I'm even angrier about it now. As in really, really angry about it.

Do you think people should have been left destitute instead through no fault of their own?"

Lockdown happened when I was in the tenth month of self employment. Previously I had worked full time for 25 years, paid tax and NI. The company I worked for folded and everyone lost their job. Self employment was going well, full time hours and healthy turnover. Then bam, lockdown and I wasn't eligible for furlough because I hadn't been self employed for long enough. There was no financial help for me, nothing. It felt and still does feel very unfair, it ruined me financially and I lost everything.

Reading the comments on this thread from people who are understandably incredulous towards any suggestion that furlough was wrong or unnecessary is really difficult. If so many people feel that not having furlough would have been unacceptable then how is it that people in my shoes were expected to go without.....

I'll take this one, as someone who's pointed out that furlough was a nailed on necessity as soon as we decided to lock down and who also thinks it's disgusting the way self employed people were treated.

When our government decided to lock down, they did that because they wanted there to be as few contacts as possible to try and control the spread. This inherently means paying enough people enough money to make them behave enough. If you don't do that, some people will have to work unlawfully, and there's also a risk of unrest. Both of these things mean more contacts. They mean lockdown is less likely to get the level of contacts down low enough to make it worthwhile.

Now here's the disgusting part- government don't necessarily have to pay everyone who's been prevented from working in order to do this. It just needs to be a critical enough mass. Personally, I think if excluding SE people meant unrest was likely or that the level of contacts due to people working illegally was high enough to undermine the purpose of lockdown, we'd have seen support for SE people too. It wasn't, so they got away with it and didn't have to do anything.

Differentstarts · 17/08/2024 09:28

I just hope their working hard behind the scenes to get enough vaccines for everyone before it becomes a problem

InkyPinkyPonky24 · 17/08/2024 09:30

Differentstarts · 17/08/2024 09:28

I just hope their working hard behind the scenes to get enough vaccines for everyone before it becomes a problem

That's another issue in itself. I don't think a lot of people would have a rushed through vaccine again. I know I wouldn't as the Covid one ruined my health permanently

DysonSphere · 17/08/2024 09:48

Interestingly despite being very vocal and anti- lockdown from the very beginning of the pandemic - I didn't wear a mask, I refused not to see family, etc

I would obey lockdown more fully this time.

The first time was about the statistical risk to relatively healthy populations (I was in the vulnerable group) balanced against the negative consequences, Job losses for the poorest, mental health, lack of decent educational provision for the poorest and most vulnerable children, unequal safety measures (supermarket and retail staff, cleaners, security staff, minimum waged people, often greater proportion of ethnic people) forced to work without furlough and exposed more severely, loss of mortgages, small businesses going under the effect on small communities, first time uni grads being isolated, bounce back inflation, higher fuel costs, etc etc etc. The risk from covid at population level when strated with age just didn't seem to justify the entire country being shut down. It required a more finessed approach and that could have been done had it not been such a political hot potato.

But this disease may be different. If it is broad in in terms of populations affected and easily transferrable then a lockdown makes more sense, and I would comply.

I haven't really looked into it. But it is dangerous to assume that because lockdown may have bern wrong, too long, too broadly applied last time, it is the wrong thing to do this time.

Yalta · 17/08/2024 09:51

InvisibleBuffy · 16/08/2024 10:56

No one is doubting that lockdown had a devastating effect on mental health for a lot of people. However, the reason you don't know as many people who died from covid is because of lockdown.
Personally, I know two previously healthy people who died from covid. So yes, I would comply with another lockdown because that number could have been much higher.
We are likely to have another pandemic in my life time. That's simply because the human population is rising so fast and viruses adapt and increase in crowded populations. Basic biology, really.
Yes, covid wasn't as bad as it could have been, but we didn't know what was going to happen. If the next pandemic is more dangerous, I suspect the death toll is going to a lot worse simply because people will ignore the warnings.

I know 6 people who took their own life.
Add to that people like exh who were affected by lockdowns so badly that it will play a contributing factor to their death.

I don’t think we will truly know how many deaths there are going to be because of lockdowns compared to deaths from Covid for many year or if ever.

We only have to look at places like New Zealand to see that lockdowns didn’t work. Covid had to rip through the population before it was over. Doing anything else was just prolonging the agony

Personally I don’t believe the numbers of deaths would have been worse it would just have been over a shorter period of time.

I do believe that there are certain dna markers that make people more vulnerable to Covid
I know myself and dc have one of those markers (although weakened because of distant predecessors) and exh doesn’t Just by the way dh and his family handled having Covid compared with myself and dc

Iwasafool · 17/08/2024 09:58

scalt · 16/08/2024 17:46

Yes we were, but it was obvious that Saint Boris was doing it extremely reluctantly. He was not the one who made the final decision. His body language made it clear he didn’t agree with a word of the script he was reciting. If he’d had his way, we would not have locked down at all, and in his own words, “let the bodies pile high”. Somewhere along the line, the message was drilled into him that lockdown was to be the status quo, the “new normal”. Even the mainstream media have admitted that Boris’s own behavioural team was used to persuade him to wear a mask: he was shown pictures of world leaders, all with masks, then a picture of himself, without one. I almost feel sorry for him never getting to have his big moment of “it is with great pleasure that I announce the end of all restrictions”: at that point it was all Ukraine. How convenient that came up just then to keep the public frightened of something; and also ironic that moments after it was a criminal offence to have your own family as guests, the government was pleading with the public to take in complete strangers. Then it was monkeypox, then it was “extreme heat”; the crises kept flowing on tap. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Because the media and the government are constantly telling us that disaster is just around the corner, it’s hard to tell what really is an emergency. To name but a few, Armageddon was predicted from the millennium bug, mobile phones frying brains, weapons of mass destruction, foot and mouth, paedophiles round every corner. The absurd measures of “sitting on benches and buying Easter eggs will kill granny” were not so much a cry of wolf, but an ear-splitting shriek of “the sky is falling down”. As for the WHO declaring an emergency, the word “emergency” is quickly becoming meaningless. It will be a long time before I believe in any “emergency” again, especially one pushed by the government.

I don't disagree that Boris was reluctant to lockdown but that doesn't alter the fact that we were in lockdown when he was in hospital so unlikely that anyone arrived at the hospital to put pressure on him to have a lockdown.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 17/08/2024 10:01

We will never know what would have happened if the original strain of covid had been rampant. For all we know the numbers with long covid could be significantly more. Also, if the health care systems were completely overrun this would have resulted in many other illnesses going untreated. These issues would also have a profound effect on mental health and financial implications. We just don't know.

Iwasafool · 17/08/2024 10:07

OpalBird · 17/08/2024 00:03

Photos are going to showcase the worst cases.

You might be the worst case. I don't fancy risking that.

Iwasafool · 17/08/2024 10:11

Yalta · 17/08/2024 09:51

I know 6 people who took their own life.
Add to that people like exh who were affected by lockdowns so badly that it will play a contributing factor to their death.

I don’t think we will truly know how many deaths there are going to be because of lockdowns compared to deaths from Covid for many year or if ever.

We only have to look at places like New Zealand to see that lockdowns didn’t work. Covid had to rip through the population before it was over. Doing anything else was just prolonging the agony

Personally I don’t believe the numbers of deaths would have been worse it would just have been over a shorter period of time.

I do believe that there are certain dna markers that make people more vulnerable to Covid
I know myself and dc have one of those markers (although weakened because of distant predecessors) and exh doesn’t Just by the way dh and his family handled having Covid compared with myself and dc

I don't think it is easy to explain why people react in different ways to covid. I have long covid, was very ill for 8 weeks, ill for a further 8 and here I am years later struggling to breathe as my lungs are shot. The funny thing is I've had it twice, they could see the antibodies from the first episode when they looked at my blood but I didn't even know I'd had it before. So one episode was so mild I didn't notice it, second episode was very bad and the on going issues still a problem years later.

Differentstarts · 17/08/2024 10:18

InkyPinkyPonky24 · 17/08/2024 09:30

That's another issue in itself. I don't think a lot of people would have a rushed through vaccine again. I know I wouldn't as the Covid one ruined my health permanently

This vaccine has been around for years it's the small pox one some elderly people will actually already have had it and be immune from this

Differentstarts · 17/08/2024 10:21

Iwasafool · 17/08/2024 10:11

I don't think it is easy to explain why people react in different ways to covid. I have long covid, was very ill for 8 weeks, ill for a further 8 and here I am years later struggling to breathe as my lungs are shot. The funny thing is I've had it twice, they could see the antibodies from the first episode when they looked at my blood but I didn't even know I'd had it before. So one episode was so mild I didn't notice it, second episode was very bad and the on going issues still a problem years later.

I had covid really bad was hospitalised and nearly died I now have long covid and it's completely ruined my life so I will happily take any lock down or any vaccine but I do understand people who didn't have this experience would feel differently.

Billydavey · 17/08/2024 10:23

SportGirl · 17/08/2024 00:37

Well you can lock yourself down on your own while the rest of us carry on with life

How tf have you got that from what I said??

Treelichen · 17/08/2024 10:36

I wouldn’t comply. I’d be cautious about where I went would be it.

InkyPinkyPonky24 · 17/08/2024 11:18

@Differentstarts Apologies, I didn't realise there was already a vaccine available.

Superhansrantowindsor · 17/08/2024 11:22

Not enough people would comply to make it effective. It will never happen again.

Differentstarts · 17/08/2024 11:27

InkyPinkyPonky24 · 17/08/2024 11:18

@Differentstarts Apologies, I didn't realise there was already a vaccine available.

Yeah they just haven't got enough at present for everyone as it's a 2 dose course but the director general has triggered the process as an emergency so hopefully their on it

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