If we suddenly had to go into a 3 month lockdown again, how would you feel?

[LaurieFairyCake]

I think people would definitely comply. If it was Mpox I would want a smallpox vaccine as it's somewhat effective.

With a highly infectious disease that had a 20% death rate, there'd be no carrying on as normal, because things like trains and enforcement of bill payment wouldn't be functioning. We'd be doing extremely well to still have supermarkets open in that situation.

It wasn't even 3 months. Remember the conga lines on VE Day.

Resist. Defy. Do not comply!!!

And if (heaven forbid) it did happen, and the government cranked up the fear machine enough to frighten the public into compliance, I would be feeling that I was RIGHT: right about the massive precedent which had been set in 2020, about lockdowns in general now being a "new normal", and that it had become the government's default response to any "crisis". I would be feeling totally vindicated about everything I had suspected in 2020, which I and others tried to point out, but we were told to shut up and stop murdering Granny.

I’ve not seen any reports the mpox is airborne. It’s spread through gay sex between men. That’s a different scenario from Covid. You are not likely to catch it by just popping to Tesco.

People would comply again if it was a highly infectious disease killing children and young people. It is very easy to be bullish and say ‘nah not me’ but quite different if there was a real and present risk.

I’m the first to say my children need school but if monkey pox became a real threat in that age group they’d be shutting the schools and there wouldn’t be a choice. You can also see in first Covid lockdown lots of key workers didn’t use school places as it wasn’t clear what the level of risk was. By the end, when the risk to children seemed lower everyone with any sort of claim however tenuous was in which was great for the kids but absolutely increased transmission. It’s very different dealing with 2-3 kids in a class versus 20.

With covid people were self isolating well before national lock down. Where I think things might be different in the future is I think people would form family bubbles or friendship bubbles and not be limited to households.

Yes particularly after the disgusting way they treated many of the self employed! I don't understand why they despise us so much.

Yes you can catch the new strain by cuddling/caring for people and by clothing/towels

People would comply again if it was a highly infectious disease killing children and young people. It is very easy to be bullish and say ‘nah not me’ but quite different if there was a real and present risk.

Some people would. I think if it was something on the level of seriousness akin to covid rather than eg 20% fatality rates, it's more likely this time that the age restrictions that were considered so unacceptably discriminatory last time would be implemented.

Also worth pointing out that teens and young adults aren't amazing at understanding their own mortality at the best of times. If we had something that say all 15-20 year olds would be better off staying in to avoid, it doesn't follow that they'd do it. Parents can control younger children's behaviour a lot more easily than older teens and young people.

Short of zombie apocalypse or Quiet Place attack a lot of people would prob say no. And even in those 2 scenarios I suspect some characters would want to go out to test themselves!!

No, i will not comply with any future lockdowns.

I'm absolutely with you on the disgusting way the SE were treated. No argument there. Especially after the initial days when there'd been more time to sort something out.

But why the anger about furlough? Once we'd decided to lock down, it was a totally necessary policy plank. I get the argument if you don't think we should've locked down in the first place, however when that does happen there needs to be pacification of the population.

Love the recent discussions I've seen on this here and social media people confidently saying they wouldn't bother following any lockdown or rules. Bet they'll sharp change their mind though if it kills people/children 🙄

That's incorrect. Listen to WHO.

I'm vaccine injured by Pfeizer. Good luck to anyone getting help with that.

im confused though re how people think they’d be able to say no? Schools would be closed, other businesses legally shut. People could mix on their own terms but the whole point of an emergency lockdown in that scenario is that you wouldn’t be able to make the choice to send your child to school etc as it likely wouldn’t be open.

Even if you don’t want to comply, chances are your movements would be reduced even if you didn’t want them to be. As an individual you can be bullish and probably still see family but you’ve got no guarantees your peers would feel the same.

If anything the lessons from Covid show that shorter, sharper lockdowns would have potentially been more effective in reducing spread. I think countries would also be quicker to close borders.

Well, lots of people weren't observing lockdown last time, and covid was killing people then. Others did observe but now regret the level of observance. It's not actually a huge step to think there are people who wouldn't be persuaded again, especially if they fall into a group that isn't as vulnerable to whatever the new disease is.

The mode of transmission remains close contact, I was just listening to someone from the WHO on R4 and that was one of the things he said.

I don’t know if the mutations make it more deadly but this one is also a different clade (type) of mpox to the one that caused the 2022 outbreak. That was clade 2 but this is clade 1 which is the more deadly of the two. We have better access to quality healthcare, vaccines and treatments than the countries affected so far though.

Exactly, You only have to look at the statistics last time around to see that, contrary to popular myth, it saved a LOT of lives before the vaccine was available.

Where is this released please? Is it a podcast? Thanks

I would love it.

I don’t think people would comply unless it was a more visible and obvious disease though. If it was something like Covid again that you could catch with no symptoms or get mildly then people would ignore it.

Something like Ebola (which acts too quickly to create a Covid life pandemic I believe) which was horrifically deadly and it was about protecting yourself and not others then we might get compliance

No way Jose! I complied to within an inch before...but my family and I are still suffering from the financial losses from the previous lockdown.

There's no way on earth I'd comply for even a minute

I honestly think if it was a serious 'plague' killing people not just 'vulnerable and old' people, especially if children were suffering, people would be terrified enough to follow any lockdown. This is why I find reading all the comments from people confidently saying they wouldn't quite amusing.

However, it's because of the government's behaviour last time that has caused people to think this way. They probably wouldn't take it seriously again until it's too late, people would still be bleating 'fake news!' and 'propaganda!' until it's right there in their homes.

Exactly. Children are vulnerable to this strain. If there was a serious outbreak people with children would be screaming for lockdown.

It won't be necessary though, this is not like Covid.

Because people would mix on their own terms, as you acknowledge here.

This comes up every time lockdown is discussed, and it's not like anyone thinks they're going to break into Next. Certainly movements would be reduced, but you can still be breaking lockdown rules whilst not doing exactly what you want. Just have a read of some of the cases that got fined last time, for example.

Some of us also know very well that our peers would be up for it, as they were last time. Remember that there was lots and lots of non-compliance during the covid lockdowns, even if it wasn't something you happened to see personally.

Also, there were businesses that were unofficially operating in 2020 and particularly 2021, and they would be again. So it isn't even just a case of socialising.

Not me, no children here