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Ukraine Invasion: Part 51

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MagicFox · 15/08/2024 20:29

Welcome to 51. Thanks as usual to all and Slava Ukraini πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

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blueshoes · 20/09/2024 17:53

In tears

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 20/09/2024 18:01

It's the absolute futility of torturing prisoners of war that always gets me: what (apart from probably sexual gratification) does the warder gain by it? That lad will have had no information that would be of use to Russia, so even the feeble pretext (as employed this century about waterboarding etc by some high-up Republicans under Bush) that it is a way of finding out the enemy's plans is nul.

blueshoes · 20/09/2024 18:29

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime there is absolutely no justification. We know the Russians do it for sport.

MissConductUS · 20/09/2024 18:44

This is a bit off-topic, but I know many of you are closely watching the US presidential election. We're about six weeks out, but some clarity is emerging in the polls. Harris is likely to win, but the Republicans are on a path to retake the majority in the Senate. Control of the House of Representatives is up for grabs at this point. The Senate is more important than the House as the Senate approves agency heads and Supreme Court judges, and legislation that starts in the House also has to be approved in the Senate. The fact that there are only 100 Senators vs 435 Representatives makes it easier to get things done in the Senate.

A divided government is not a completely bad thing, as it prevents one party from imposing an agenda and forces compromise. Harris is expected to maintain support for Ukraine.

This article provides a nice summary of the current situation, and the embedded video from the Cook Political Report editor is well worth watching.

Harris could win the presidency but lose the Senate, giving Republicans a veto over her agenda and judges - Some Democratic voters and lawmakers are concerned that even if they have a strong election, the GOP has a path to capture Senate control β€” and hinder a Harris agenda.

Many Americans intentionally vote on a split ticket to avoid giving one party too much power.

Igotjelly · 20/09/2024 18:45

It’s unspeakably horrific but at least he’s home and with people who love him and who will care for him. At 22 he’s still so young, with the right care I sincerely hope he will achieve some sort of recovery. β€οΈβ€πŸ©Ή

minsmum · 20/09/2024 18:50

Seemingly they only release the POWs in the best shape God knows how the ones left behind are

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 20/09/2024 19:15

I wonder if he has suffered brain damage grimly

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Thank you @MissConductUS

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 20/09/2024 19:22

Doesn't bear thinking about does it.

On Harris, there is a popular BBC clip of her talking on Oprah's show about owning guns and shooting potential intruders in her home. I havent seen the full interview but I was a bit surprised... I do have quite a facile understanding of democrat and Republican stances. Can I ask @MissConductUS has this caused a stir or is this par for the course?

Igotjelly · 20/09/2024 19:31

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 20/09/2024 19:22

Doesn't bear thinking about does it.

On Harris, there is a popular BBC clip of her talking on Oprah's show about owning guns and shooting potential intruders in her home. I havent seen the full interview but I was a bit surprised... I do have quite a facile understanding of democrat and Republican stances. Can I ask @MissConductUS has this caused a stir or is this par for the course?

I suspect more likely severe PTSD and the effects of trauma. Awful for him of course but hopefully something that with the right psychiatric care he’ll be able to live with (though it’s unlikely he’ll ever fully recover). The one thing that’s clear is that mental health is far better understood in Ukraine than I had appreciated.

On that note Stephen Fry’s documentary on his YouTube channel about this very topic is excellent.

Igotjelly · 20/09/2024 19:31

Sorry meant to quote @DucklingSwimmingInstructress post not your @Hillsmakeyoustrong

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 20/09/2024 19:33

Sincerely hope you're right.

The level of trauma that every Ukrainian is going through is significant - as for the soldiers, it's horrendous.

If Mariupol is ever freed, .. well.

MissConductUS · 20/09/2024 19:41

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 20/09/2024 19:22

Doesn't bear thinking about does it.

On Harris, there is a popular BBC clip of her talking on Oprah's show about owning guns and shooting potential intruders in her home. I havent seen the full interview but I was a bit surprised... I do have quite a facile understanding of democrat and Republican stances. Can I ask @MissConductUS has this caused a stir or is this par for the course?

There's no stir that I've noticed. While many people support stronger gun control, the right to defend your home and family is less controversial. And legally, in most states, you can't shoot an intruder unless you are in reasonable fear for your life and acting in self defense. Even in a state like New York that has very strong gun control laws, lots of people own long guns. There's a county shooting range about a half mile from me. I often hear people firing there on the weekends if I'm out in the garden.

Even the Democrats who might have been unhappy about the remarks will do nothing to rock the boat between now and the election when the alternative is the orange menace.

MissConductUS · 20/09/2024 23:10

By the way, I didn't mean to imply that Harris was a shoo-in or would stroll to victory. The polls are still close, but she's ahead in Pennsylvania, and the trend is positive in other swing states. Trump is doing a fine job of helping her by resorting to personal attacks rather than talking about policy differences and is making no attempt to appeal to swing voters. Still, a lot can happen in seven weeks. I'm counting on Trump's talent for self-sabotage to carry the day.

blueshoes · 21/09/2024 13:37

@MissConductUS yeah, I hope Trump shoots himself in the foot.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/09/2024 13:39

Kyiv Independent Telegram Highlights

⚑️First group of Ukrainian pilots complete https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-pilots-complete-french-jet-training/ French jet training.
The first cohort of Ukrainian pilots have completed Alpha Jet training in France, the French Armed Forces announced on Sept. 20. @notimagain

⚑️Norway allocates https://kyivindependent.com/norway-additional-5-7-billion-to-ukraine/ additional $5.7 billion to Ukraine until 2030.
Norway's civil and military support program for Ukraine, known as the Nansen program, will be extended until 2030 and will be increased by a further 5 billion kroner ($475 million) this year, Oslo announced on Sept. 20.

⚑️Ukraine's strike on Russian arms depot destroyed https://kyivindependent.com/strike-tver-oblast-estonian-military-intelligence/ up to 3 months worth of ammunition, Estonian Colonel Ants Kiviselg, head of the Estonian Defense Forces Intelligence Center, said on Sept. 20

⚑️US may send Ukraine medium-range https://kyivindependent.com/us-may-send-ukraine-medium-range-missiles-for-f-16s-politico-reports/ missiles for F-16s, Politico reports.
A medium-range glide bomb known as the Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) might be included in the new military aid package, U.S. officials told Politico. The missile can cover a distance of over 70 miles. @MissConductUS

⚑️Drone strike causes explosions https://kyivindependent.com/drone-strike-causes-explosions-at-facility-in-krasnodar-krai-russian-officials-say/ at facility in Krasnodar Krai, Russian officials say. The Tikhoretsk district houses a major ammunition depot that has reportedly expanded over the last year to accommodate munitions shipments from North Korea.

⚑️US to provide https://kyivindependent.com/us-to-provide-ukraine-with-additional-375-million-in-military-aid/ Ukraine with additional $375 million in military aid, Reuters reports.

⚑️49% of Russians support withdrawing troops from Ukraine and negotiating for peace, even without achieving the Kremlin's military objectives, according to a joint survey conducted by independent pollsters ExtremeScan and Chronicles. https://kyivindependent.com/49-of-russians-support-withdrawal-of-troops-from-ukraine-poll-says/ [polling is far from independent generally and different pollign centres come up with different numbers]

⚑️Japanese PM Kishida to meet Zelensky https://kyivindependent.com/japanese-pm-kishida-to-meet-zelensky-in-us-media-report/ in US, media report.

⚑️ Ukraine restricts Telegram https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-restricts-telegram-for-government/ use for government, military, critical infrastructure.
Ukraine's National Coordination Center for Cybersecurity on Sept. 20 restricted the use of the Telegram messenger app for government agencies, military, and critical infrastructure facilities.

⚑️ Russia missile strike on Odesa injures 4 https://kyivindependent.com/russia-strikes-odesa/ damages Antiguan-flagged vessel.
According to the preliminary data, Russia launched Iskander-M ballistic missiles, damaging port and civilian infrastructure, as well as a civilian ship under the Antiguan flag.

Putin will not fly to Mexico for the inauguration of President-elect Claudia Sheinbaum, a Russian Foreign Ministry official said in an interview with RTVI channel on Sept. 20. https://kyivindependent.com/putin-wont-fly-to-mexico/

⚑️Austria-headquartered Raiffeisen Bank International (RBI) agreed to sell its stake in its Belarusian subsidiary Priorbank, marking the first step toward fully withdrawing from the Belarusian market, RBI announced on Sept. 20. https://kyivindependent.com/raiffeisen-bank-sells-belarusian/

⚑️Former Wagner base in Russia's Krasnodar Krai reportedly on fire.https://kyivindependent.com/former-wagner-base-in-russias-krasnodar-krai-reportedly-on-fire/

⚑️ Ukraine approves new domestic-made all-terrain amphibious vehicle Takha https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-approves-takha/ The vehicle developed by Ukrainian engineers is already being used at the front line for evacuation, as well as for transportation of ammunition and food, according to the ministry.

⚑️Russian attacks against Ukraine kill 8, injure 53https://kyivindependent.com/russian-attacks-against-ukraine-kill-8-injure-53-over-past-day/ over past day.
⚑️Russia strikes https://kyivindependent.com/russia-strikes-kharkiv-with-guided-bombs/ Kharkiv with guided bombs, injuring at least 15.
⚑️Russian missile strike on Kryvyi Rih https://kyivindependent.com/russian-missile-strike-on-kryvyi-rih-kills-at-least-3-injures-3-including-children/ kills at least 3, injures 3, including children.

Ragnar Bjartur Gudmundsson πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦β€¬ β€ͺSEP 21, 2024
β–  2nd highest day for engagements & 5th for casualties since the war began
β–  Massive πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί losses of artillery, APVs & tanks
β–  πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ strikes above 7-day average but an increase in πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί strikes results in an unfavorable ratio

Ukraine Invasion: Part 51
Ukraine Invasion: Part 51
DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/09/2024 13:48

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has called for the immediate withdrawal of Russian military and personnel from the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. The agency stresses that returning control of the plant to Ukrainian authorities is crucial for ensuring its safety. https://mev.gov.ua/sites/default/files/2024-09/resolution-on-ukraine-2024-general-conference.pdf

Zelenskyy is set to present a β€œvictory plan” to Biden next week, which includes an invitation for Ukraine to join NATO and a commitment from the U.S. for continuous supplies of modern weapons, according to Bloomberg.
The plan also outlines a clear path for Ukraine’s membership in the European Union and other economic and security arrangements. Zelenskyy is expected to discuss the plan in detail with Biden during their meeting in Washington on September 26, as well as introduce it to presidential candidates Kamala Harris and Donald Trump

The United States plans to impose stricter restrictions on Russian oil trade, particularly targeting the shadow fleet that Moscow uses to export raw materials, according to Dalip Singh, Deputy Assistant to the US President for National Security.
He also highlighted another area where the US will ramp up efforts: curbing the export of goods used by the Russian military through third countries.

EU to Provide Ukraine with €35 Billion Loan Amid Russia's Energy Attacks
The funds will help stabilize Ukraine’s financial situation, as the country faces a projected $38 billion financing gap next year, according to Kyiv and the International Monetary Fund. The loan is part of the G7's plan to raise $50 billion from future profits of frozen Russian state assets.

Ukraine has received the first €40.7 million from Denmark to directly finance its defense production, according to Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov.

Ukrainian Pilots Complete 6-Month Training in France on Alphajet Aircraft
The pilots trained on Alphajet aircraft, which feature instrument panels designed to mimic those of an F-16, providing an accelerated preparation for potential future operations.

Russian National Arrested in U.S. for Illegal Export of Military Microelectronics to Russia
Russian citizen Denys Postovoy was detained in the U.S. on charges of violating export restrictions, money laundering, and illegally supplying dual-use and military-grade microelectronics to Russia, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
The investigation revealed that Postovoy managed a network of companies in Russia, Hong Kong, and other countries, falsifying export documents and sending microelectronics to Russia via countries like Hong Kong and Switzerland.

EU to Tighten Control Over Schengen Visas for Russian Citizens
European Commissioner Stella Kyriakides announced that the European Union plans to strengthen control over the issuance of Schengen visas to Russian citizens. Speaking at a plenary session of the European Parliament in Strasbourg, Kyriakides emphasized the need for stricter visa procedures and border checks.
β€œWe have suspended the facilitated visa regime with the Russian Federation, and visa issuance for Russian citizens has dropped by approximately 90%. We are now assessing how member states are implementing these instructions to determine if further measures are needed,” she stated. [I guess this is to try to counteract Hungary deliberately allowing more Russians and Belorussians in]

Ukraine Becomes Key Market for Balkan Arms Manufacturers Amid Boom
Ukraine has emerged as an attractive market for arms manufacturers from the Balkan region, The Economist reports. Western Balkan arms producers have experienced significant growth, with Serbian arms exports quadrupling since 2020 and delivering €800 million worth of ammunition since the invasion of Ukraine. Bosnia’s munitions exports nearly doubled in the first four months of 2024, with factories operating around the clock.
Balkan arms are in demand due to their ability to produce ammunition compatible with both Soviet and NATO standards. Their relatively low costβ€”up to 25% cheaper than Western alternativesβ€”also makes them appealing to Ukraine and its allies.
Although Bosnia and Serbia have laws prohibiting arms sales to conflict zones, they have found workarounds through third parties. For instance, the U.S. is a major buyer of Bosnian cartridges, which are redirected to Ukraine. Serbia, despite its refusal to sanction Russia, ships artillery shells through countries like the Czech Republic and Turkey.

Germany has delivered 14 pickup trucks to Ukraine’s National Guard in Kyiv, with an additional 16 vehicles en route, according to the German Embassy in Ukraine. These vehicles, financed by Germany, will support logistics and the protection of critical infrastructure.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/09/2024 13:51

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ The U.S. will announce a new military aid package for Ukraine next week, CNN reports.
The U.S. has $5.9 billion remaining under presidential drawdown authority, which expires in less than two weeks. This authority allows the Pentagon to take equipment from U.S. stockpiles and send it to Ukraine.
The upcoming package, which is expected to include artillery, air defense systems, and other munitions, is likely to be significantly larger than recent ones, valued at around $200 million.
However, the delivery of this package could be delayed by months due to a shortage of available weapons in Pentagon stockpiles.

πŸ‡¦πŸ‡Ί Ukraine may receive decommissioned Abrams tanks worth $550 million from Australia
In July, Australia decommissioned 59 M1A1 Abrams tanks, which had never been used in combat, to replace them with newer models.
Currently, Australia's Ministry of Defense is examining how the delivery can take place in accordance with U.S. defense export regulations, as these tanks are American-made.

Head of Russia's Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov claims to have sent two more Cybertrucks equipped with machine guns to the war in Ukraine.

Russian Investigative Committee has concluded its investigation into the murder of US "volunteer" Russell "Texas" Bentley. Charges have been filed against three Russian Armed Forces servicemen.
According to the investigation, on April 8, 2024, the servicemen detained Bentley, subjected him to physical violence and torture, resulting in his death. They then allegedly destroyed his body by blowing up a VAZ 2115 vehicle with a TNT block. The suspects are also accused of attempting to conceal the crime by hiding the location of Bentley's remains.

All these cities in Ukraine were destroyed by Russia

Ukraine Invasion: Part 51
Igotjelly · 21/09/2024 13:51

Zelenskyy is set to present a β€œvictory plan” to Biden next week, which includes an invitation for Ukraine to join NATO and a commitment from the U.S. for continuous supplies of modern weapons, according to Bloomberg.

Much as I would love nothing more, an invitation to join NATO just isn’t going to happen.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/09/2024 13:53

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

NASA FIRMS data confirming that Russia's Tver region lost a second ammunition depot overnight.
Located only 15km from the previous strike, both are nearly 500km from the Ukrainian border.
According to regional authorities, residents from nearby areas are being evacuated.
The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed to have allegedly shot down 101 drones overnight.

The Texas man that was so deluded by Russian propaganda that he actually went to help Russians in Eastern Ukraine was...murdered by Russians.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/39296

Lured by promises of high salaries, a large percentage of Russia's contract soldiers don't live to see the money.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/39298 [Russian volunteers account for 20% of war dead]

Moscow’s US Propagandist β€˜Donbas Cowboy’ Was Killed by Russian Troops

The preliminary investigation by Russia’s Investigative Committee accused four Russian servicemen of the kidnap and murder of the American Russell Bentley, a Russian β€œwar correspondent.”

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/39296

blueshoes · 21/09/2024 13:59

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-20-2024

Key Takeaways:

  • European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced two new loan mechanisms worth up to 45 billion euros (roughly $50 billion) and 35 billion euros (roughly $39 billion) respectively during a visit to Kyiv on September 20.
  • Russian authorities were reportedly aware of the threat of a future Ukrainian incursion into Kursk Oblast in the months leading up to August 2024 but failed to take adequate steps to address such a threat.
  • These documents support ISW's recent assessment that Ukrainian forces achieved operational surprise during the incursion into Kursk Oblast despite Russian authorities' reported awareness of the possibility of an incursion.
  • Russian officials attempted to use a meeting with the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to legitimize Russia's occupation of Ukraine and promote false narratives about alleged Ukrainian human rights abuses.
  • Russian forces recently advanced near Vovchansk, Kreminna, Toretsk, and Pokrovsk, and Ukrainian forces recently regained lost positions in Vovchansk and Siversk.
  • Russian state media is increasingly emphasizing the participation of foreign nationals in the Russian war effort in Ukraine, likely to reassure domestic audiences that Russia continues to recruit sufficient manpower and will not need to declare another mobilization wave.
Ukraine Invasion: Part 51
notimagain · 21/09/2024 15:51

@DucklingSwimmingInstructress

The first cohort of Ukrainian pilots have completed Alpha Jet training in France, the French Armed Forces announced on Sept. 20.

Thanks…all been kept in very low profile in French media.

heldinadream · 21/09/2024 17:09

Oh wow!

MagicFox · 21/09/2024 17:54

It registered as an earthquake!

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blueshoes · 21/09/2024 18:24

So this is a different arms depot attack by Ukrainian drones from the big one in Toropets (which also registered as an earthquake) earlier in the week, also in Tver, Russia?

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