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Warning for anyone connecting out of Dublin to fly to USA, don't be me!

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MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 13:45

I'm a broken human and it's all Aer Lingus's fault. Business trip yesterday Edinburgh to JFK, connecting through Dublin.

Due to weather, my Edinburgh flight was delayed and we landed late in Dublin. Still in time for connection but all travellers to the USA have to go through US Homeland Security in Dublin, and there is no fast track option for late incoming connections.

It took well over an hour to clear US customs, the queues were horrendous and there are four levels of security to clear.

I think ten different people beeped my boarding pass but this means nothing as US security exists to protect the USA, not to help people catch flights.

After a horrific race to the furthest gate in the terminal, I arrived to a closed gate and the staff clearing up. They were kind and sympathetic but I was absolutely not getting on the plane. My bags had been taken off. Other people were in the same situation.

We could not approach Aer Lingus ticketing until to got landside, and we couldn't get landside until we had our bags back, which took an hour. Once we arrived at the ticketing desk there was a queue of desperate and upset travellers ahead of us, all trying to get to the USA. There were further flights out but we couldn't get them because going through homeland security again would have taken too long, and many flights were full anyway.

All they could offer was overnight accommodation with onward travel the next day. This didn't work for me as I'd missed my meeting anyway so I had to get a flight home instead. Edinburgh was full so I took a teatime flight to Glasgow. I got home at 10pm having been in transit from 6am.

I can't explain what it feels like to miss a transatlantic flight, I'm still processing it now. Seeing that closed gate was like the most stressful scene in a film, but it was real and actually happening to me.

Catching connections works until it doesn't. How the fuck Aer Lingus thought I could negotiate their huge, multi level airport and the whole of US security in the time allowed even had my incoming flight been on time was baffling to me. Why they haven't set up support airside for all the people held up like this is a mystery for the ages. Entire families were crying, the staff were helpful but there weren't nearly enough of them and they can't offer solutions that don't exist.

People who don't live near hub airports have no choice but to use connections. I've learned my lesson. I've informed my company that my next journey to the USA will require me to catch a train to London the day before (early, in case of train shenanigans) a night in a Heathrow hotel and a flight out of Heathrow next day.

Don't be me. Don't trust airline's own itineraries for connecting flights, and never fly Dublin to USA unless you are able to arrive at Dublin many hours in advance.

And an extra fuck you to the last US security guy I dealt with. Your utter nastiness made one of the most stressful experiences of my half century on this earth even worse and for what, sir? If you want your country to be safe then ban gun ownership and be civil to middle aged ladies who obey every rule and command asked of them.

Last moan, a pint in Dublin Airport costs seven pounds thirty. Most needed pint of my life. Just.... don't be me.

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Mumtobabyhavoc · 13/08/2024 19:47

Jom222 · 13/08/2024 18:51

that attitude is classic homeland security. I'm american and occasionally drive across the border from detroit to windsor, ontario and firstly, the border is like a war zone. Men stomping around with long guns out, glaring at everybody like they're all terrorists.

Once one of them scoffed at my reason for going to windsor, he clearly enjoyed the power he had over me. And you can't get sassy in return or all hell could break loose. Its all yes sir no sir, eyes cast downward in respect/appropriate terror.

When they were looking at the ireland-n.ireland border crossings during brexit, they came several times to the detroit-windsor border and reportedly said it was exactly what they wanted to avoid.

meanwhile on the canadian side, once it's determined that you're not bringing firearms into canada the border police are very kind. The difference in attitude is shocking. I call homeland security jack booted thugs 🙁

I'm not surprised he was shitty to you, sorry.

Hello from Vancouver! 👋
I was once running late for my flight out of Bellingham due to long weekend traffic in August one year so went to the Duty Free and bought a bottle because the exit is significantly further ahead in line for the border. There was an official-looking fellow directing traffic to allow merging back into line and I asked him if he knew how long the wait was as I was a bit panicked to make it to the airport. He asked me if I had proof of my itinerary and I confirmed I did. He then told me to go down the NEXUS lane even though I told him I didn't have the pass. MISTAKE. Was hauled into US customs and told it constitutes border jumping, up to $10,000USD in fines and being banned from entry to the US. I explained the advice I had rec'd etc, was chastised, told I'd never qualify for a pass if I applied in future and sent on my way. I did make my flight and was last on with just 5 mins before gate closed. 🥲

Sitdownrosa · 13/08/2024 19:48

In this day and age why are people still flying halfway across the world for a meeting?

DinnaeFashYersel · 13/08/2024 19:51

@Mumtobabyhavoc

I'd book a direct flight to be safe.

There aren't very many direct flights from Scotland

We have to fly via Heathrow of Dublin mostly

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Mumtobabyhavoc · 13/08/2024 19:54

DinnaeFashYersel · 13/08/2024 19:51

@Mumtobabyhavoc

I'd book a direct flight to be safe.

There aren't very many direct flights from Scotland

We have to fly via Heathrow of Dublin mostly

Yes, I googled to check. Does make it tough. Especially if time isn't flexible or if booking isn't well in advance, I imagine.

notimagain · 13/08/2024 20:01

DinnaeFashYersel · 13/08/2024 19:51

@Mumtobabyhavoc

I'd book a direct flight to be safe.

There aren't very many direct flights from Scotland

We have to fly via Heathrow of Dublin mostly

True but in the context of this thread it just so happens there is a direct/non stop service between Edinburgh and JFK this summer

https://corporate.edinburghairport.com/jetblue-lands-at-edinburgh-airport

www.flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU72

JetBlue lands at Edinburgh Airport | Edinburgh Airport

New airline arrives into Scotland for the first time as daily New York JFK service begins.

https://corporate.edinburghairport.com/jetblue-lands-at-edinburgh-airport

Mumtobabyhavoc · 13/08/2024 20:01

Flammekuche · 13/08/2024 18:16

Have you seen Leap Year? Amy Adams is trying to fly to Dublin from the US to propose to a wanker, her flight gets diverted to Wales, she charters a random fishing boat (ferries not running?) and ends up, mystifyingly, in Dingle (which would have involved sailing around most of the south coast of Ireland and taken he4 much further from Dublin), and she then travels with Matthew Goode’s offensively terrible impersonation of a muck savage to Dublin via the Cliffs of Moher and Connemara, which are in pretty much the opposite direction.

But the geography is less of a war crime than Matthew Goode’s accent.

So you've seen the movie once or twice... 😂👏

Mumtobabyhavoc · 13/08/2024 20:03

notimagain · 13/08/2024 20:01

True but in the context of this thread it just so happens there is a direct/non stop service between Edinburgh and JFK this summer

https://corporate.edinburghairport.com/jetblue-lands-at-edinburgh-airport

www.flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU72

Found that, too. 😄

Hillcrest2022 · 13/08/2024 20:05

You missed a flight. It happens. Don't let it cause you so much trauma.

yesmen · 13/08/2024 20:07

Wexone · 13/08/2024 15:35

Dublin has become a nightmare for US clearance lately - this is because they have increased the amount of lanes landing from USA on all carriers where before it was just Aer Lingus and haven't increased the staff nor capacity. Flew last year to San Fran and the que was nearly 4 hours along. The Aer hostess were walking up and down calling each flight asking people are the on so and so flight and letting people out of the q to run up and catch their flight. We were flying at 1pm - we got to Dublin airport at 7am, got through 1st security by 9am - got a takeaway breakfast and was at US clearance at 9:30am. we sat in ours seats at 10 to 1. It was unreal stress

When was that @Wexone ?

Wexone · 13/08/2024 20:09

yesmen · 13/08/2024 20:07

When was that @Wexone ?

last summer.

Movingon2024 · 13/08/2024 20:18

Ah Morris. Sorry for you.

but actually aer lingus/ your company may have played a blinder in making you miss that connection, if you don’t like turbulence.

I did your routing to JFK. Made the connection, all good. Then got on aer lingus plane. It was small. And a windy Sunday, We bounced up and down over the Atlantic for about 6 hrs.

I am a completely confident flyer. until then.

never again. BA to Heathrow, massive jet out of terminal 5. Hourly departures if you miss connection.

thank yr lucky stars.

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 20:32

Movingon2024 · 13/08/2024 20:18

Ah Morris. Sorry for you.

but actually aer lingus/ your company may have played a blinder in making you miss that connection, if you don’t like turbulence.

I did your routing to JFK. Made the connection, all good. Then got on aer lingus plane. It was small. And a windy Sunday, We bounced up and down over the Atlantic for about 6 hrs.

I am a completely confident flyer. until then.

never again. BA to Heathrow, massive jet out of terminal 5. Hourly departures if you miss connection.

thank yr lucky stars.

Oh dear god this is unbearable! You poor thing. My worst nightmare, actually worse than missing the flight.

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notimagain · 13/08/2024 20:36

I’m not sure aircraft size enters into the turbulence issue as much as people think TBH, the whole subject is definitely geeky and arcane with talk of about stuff like wing loading and the like but fundamentally there won’t be much difference in the ride in turbulence between an A321 (which objectively isn’t really that small an aircraft) and one of the wide bodies.

As far as Aer Lingus goes I thought demand was such they generally flew A330s (defo a wide body/big twin) on DUB-JFK, BA tends to use similar sized twins such the 777 (another wide body) for LHR-JFK.

I know Aer Lingus does fly the A321 on the Atlantic but thought that was mainly on the likes of DUB-IAD (Washington), a thinner route in terms of passenger numbers.

Choux · 13/08/2024 20:57

Anyone heard of Mobile Passport Control app for the US? Only one person has mentioned it on this thread.

Since December returning ESTA holders (ie those who have previously been fingerprinted) can use this app to speed up entry by submitting details via the app. Plus there are sometimes pre designated lines rather than having to queue with all foreign passport holders. It's available at 54 airports including Dublin and Abu Dhabi which was also mentioned on this thread.

www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citizens/mobile-passport-control#:~:text=Now%2C%20with%20mobile%20passport%20control,the%20palm%20of%20their%20hands.

Scissorsisters · 13/08/2024 21:16

It was me that mentioned the MPC.

By the way you don't have your have previously had fingerprints taken. DC used it this summer and was too young to need fingerprints on a previous visit.

halava · 13/08/2024 21:17

Scissorsisters · 13/08/2024 21:16

It was me that mentioned the MPC.

By the way you don't have your have previously had fingerprints taken. DC used it this summer and was too young to need fingerprints on a previous visit.

Was there a fast track lane for the MPC in Dublin pre clearance area?

Scissorsisters · 13/08/2024 21:32

I used it in USA not Dublin.

halava · 13/08/2024 21:41

Scissorsisters · 13/08/2024 21:32

I used it in USA not Dublin.

OOOPs. With the thread title and all the posts about Dublin, well I did make assumptions! 😊

Scissorsisters · 13/08/2024 22:05

It's a good question though!

Choux · 13/08/2024 22:20

Even if there aren't specific MPC lines, the more people ahead of you in the queue who are using it the faster you will get through immigration. I went through Seattle airport a couple of weeks ago and there were signs everywhere about the app so I downloaded it while waiting for my bag (I've never collected my bag before immigration at any US airport before) and used it. No designated lines there but it was pretty quick to get through anyway.

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 23:27

UPDATE

The pint didn't cost 7 pounds thirty, it cost 6 pounds twenty.

It's easy to forget Ireland's a separate country 😊

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HughsMermaid · 13/08/2024 23:39

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 23:27

UPDATE

The pint didn't cost 7 pounds thirty, it cost 6 pounds twenty.

It's easy to forget Ireland's a separate country 😊

That'll go down like a lead balloon 😉 - we're very proud of our independence Morris.

Anyway glad you're home safely. It was bucketing down on Monday in Aberdeen too. I never know what to wear in summer up here!

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 13/08/2024 23:41

Flammekuche · 13/08/2024 18:16

Have you seen Leap Year? Amy Adams is trying to fly to Dublin from the US to propose to a wanker, her flight gets diverted to Wales, she charters a random fishing boat (ferries not running?) and ends up, mystifyingly, in Dingle (which would have involved sailing around most of the south coast of Ireland and taken he4 much further from Dublin), and she then travels with Matthew Goode’s offensively terrible impersonation of a muck savage to Dublin via the Cliffs of Moher and Connemara, which are in pretty much the opposite direction.

But the geography is less of a war crime than Matthew Goode’s accent.

She does of course stop to use a pay phone on the way too. The US characters had mobiles though, because obviously they are just sooo advanced by comparison.

I love Amy Adams but I really struggle to forgive her that one.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 13/08/2024 23:43

I will however forgive Matthew Goode cos he's a ride. And too good for that Lady Mary!!

AquaLeader · 14/08/2024 00:20

Aer Lingus advise passengers that they should arrive at the terminal at least 3 hours before a long-haul flight. Anyone arriving on an inbound flight should allow for additional time to this to allow for flight delays.

A transfer time of 1.5 hours from an inbound flight is always very high risk especially when it includes security pre-clearance. Some passengers are happy to take the risk. If they make the flight then all is well and, if not, they have checked beforehand and know that they have a good chance of getting on the following flight.

OP took a gamble and her gamble didn't pay off. Aer Lingus offered overnight accommodation with onward travel the next day. However, instead of taking some personal responsibility, the OP is acting like a child and blaming everyone else.