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Warning for anyone connecting out of Dublin to fly to USA, don't be me!

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MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 13:45

I'm a broken human and it's all Aer Lingus's fault. Business trip yesterday Edinburgh to JFK, connecting through Dublin.

Due to weather, my Edinburgh flight was delayed and we landed late in Dublin. Still in time for connection but all travellers to the USA have to go through US Homeland Security in Dublin, and there is no fast track option for late incoming connections.

It took well over an hour to clear US customs, the queues were horrendous and there are four levels of security to clear.

I think ten different people beeped my boarding pass but this means nothing as US security exists to protect the USA, not to help people catch flights.

After a horrific race to the furthest gate in the terminal, I arrived to a closed gate and the staff clearing up. They were kind and sympathetic but I was absolutely not getting on the plane. My bags had been taken off. Other people were in the same situation.

We could not approach Aer Lingus ticketing until to got landside, and we couldn't get landside until we had our bags back, which took an hour. Once we arrived at the ticketing desk there was a queue of desperate and upset travellers ahead of us, all trying to get to the USA. There were further flights out but we couldn't get them because going through homeland security again would have taken too long, and many flights were full anyway.

All they could offer was overnight accommodation with onward travel the next day. This didn't work for me as I'd missed my meeting anyway so I had to get a flight home instead. Edinburgh was full so I took a teatime flight to Glasgow. I got home at 10pm having been in transit from 6am.

I can't explain what it feels like to miss a transatlantic flight, I'm still processing it now. Seeing that closed gate was like the most stressful scene in a film, but it was real and actually happening to me.

Catching connections works until it doesn't. How the fuck Aer Lingus thought I could negotiate their huge, multi level airport and the whole of US security in the time allowed even had my incoming flight been on time was baffling to me. Why they haven't set up support airside for all the people held up like this is a mystery for the ages. Entire families were crying, the staff were helpful but there weren't nearly enough of them and they can't offer solutions that don't exist.

People who don't live near hub airports have no choice but to use connections. I've learned my lesson. I've informed my company that my next journey to the USA will require me to catch a train to London the day before (early, in case of train shenanigans) a night in a Heathrow hotel and a flight out of Heathrow next day.

Don't be me. Don't trust airline's own itineraries for connecting flights, and never fly Dublin to USA unless you are able to arrive at Dublin many hours in advance.

And an extra fuck you to the last US security guy I dealt with. Your utter nastiness made one of the most stressful experiences of my half century on this earth even worse and for what, sir? If you want your country to be safe then ban gun ownership and be civil to middle aged ladies who obey every rule and command asked of them.

Last moan, a pint in Dublin Airport costs seven pounds thirty. Most needed pint of my life. Just.... don't be me.

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Blackcats7 · 15/08/2024 09:38

The usual completely unnecessary nasty replies and lack of understanding of humour.
Some of you must be horrible to know in real life if you are like this then too.

MorrisZapp · 16/08/2024 09:20

UPDATE UPDATE

My meeting is rescheduled for October. This time taking no chances and flying out of Heathrow, having arrived by train the day before and slept in an airport hotel. Managed to get a good deal on the flight, but it means staying an extra day in NY which I'm not moaning about!

Aer Lingus have opened a case number and told me I'll get my money back, I have to await further communication. Flight radar shows that my BA flights are marginally more reliable than AL, not much in it though.

How does one pack for New York in October? Could be hot or fully autumnal 🍂🍂🍁. A nice problem to have.

BUT MORRIS IT'S HORRIBLE GOING THROUGH IMMIGRATION AT JFK! I don't doubt it. But with no time pressure I'll just be happy to be off the plane and free to take as long as it takes. And I might get that one security cop who is really nice or who just loves my accent. I can do a full range to suit the occasion.

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notimagain · 16/08/2024 09:40

. Flight radar shows that my BA flights are marginally more reliable than AL, not much in it though

Be wary of using Flightradar for that level of analysis.

It certainly doesn’t accurately recording departure/arrival times of flights currently in progress (take-off and landing times are not the same as departures/arrival times ) and I’m not convinced it always updates historical flights to reflect the correct values.

I’ve not looked too hard but Flightaware may be a better source, it’s certainly worth checking between the two.

www.flightaware.com

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MorrisZapp · 16/08/2024 09:43

I couldn't love this thread more 😊

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notimagain · 16/08/2024 09:51

Quick example of what I’m on about re -Flightradar.

This AMs BA 117 LHR JFK.

Scheduled departure 0820 local.

Push back at 0823 (from BA and other sources, so according to standards across the industry only 3 min late…)

Flight Radar : “Scheduled 0820, actual 0904”……

0904 was take-off time after a long taxi out - normal LHR morning rush.

DataPup · 16/08/2024 09:56

Funnily enough I was looking for flights to Seattle yesterday. One option given was Birmingham via Dublin, there was a big red alert on this flight saying there was a 'long' wait of 3 hours 5 minutes when judging by this thread that's the sort of time you'd want to allow.

When carriers themselves sell multi segment flights on one ticket and allow a 90 minute changeover and tell you that 3 hours is long you can't blame less seasoned travellers for trusting them.

Saschka · 16/08/2024 10:07

TennisLady · 13/08/2024 15:56

I've encountered some of the most rude and horrible men in my life at US immigration, second only to an experience in Cambodia. I don't understand why they have to be so downright rude, but you have to play along with it!

Power trip, they know you can’t do anything about it. US border guards are the most obnoxious ones in the world.

MorrisZapp · 16/08/2024 10:08

Yes I did wonder about the specific meaning of departure. Does it mean when the gate closes, or when the wheels leave the ground etc.

I flew Schipol to Edinburgh this summer (shout out to wonderful KLM) and the taxi part took us out into the countryside, over two separate motorways, and seemingly back again. Cue every dad on board quipping about driving us all the way to Edinburgh. I was half expecting the cabin crew to start pointing out stately homes.

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TennisLady · 16/08/2024 10:11

Saschka · 16/08/2024 10:07

Power trip, they know you can’t do anything about it. US border guards are the most obnoxious ones in the world.

Yep! I went to US once with some family and it was their first time. I pre-warned them that the border guards might be complete twats and to just go along with it, to then experience a guard who was so rude and ridiculous and my family were so shocked by it.

notimagain · 16/08/2024 10:54

@MorrisZapp

Yes I did wonder about the specific meaning of departure. Does it mean when the gate closes, or when the wheels leave the ground etc.

Neither…definition of departure time is (I paraphrase) time of first brake release after doors closed..so start of the pushback at a push back gate or when you taxi away from a gate where no pushback was needed.

As a result where I worked we used to aim for gate closure and aircraft doors closed no later than 3 minute prior to scheduled departure time in order to actually try and get brakes released on time. Other airlines no doubt do similar.

That brake release time normally gets registered and sent automatically to the company by a datalink feed from the aircraft and that’s the time you see on xxxairline.com or on the airport departures board.

Unfortunately Flightradar doesn’t have access to that datalink, it’s tapping into a different one that is linked to Air Traffic Control so best they can do for live flights is to display the lift off time. That’s fair enough but they don’t make the (sometimes significant) difference clear on the display.

BTW similar problem with arrivals…arrival time is time the brakes go on when you arrive at the gate…not the landing time….

MorrisZapp · 16/08/2024 11:01

As a nervous flier, I just want the time in the sky to be as short as possible. Taxiing or waiting for a gate after landing doesn't count as flying to me 😊 I'm not usually bothered by delays to takeoff either but this one time there was a lot invested in it.

I don't want to cough up for yet another monthly subscription so I'll shop around the free flight monitoring sites. Flight radar does seem to be the MN go to.

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Saschka · 16/08/2024 11:10

TennisLady · 16/08/2024 10:11

Yep! I went to US once with some family and it was their first time. I pre-warned them that the border guards might be complete twats and to just go along with it, to then experience a guard who was so rude and ridiculous and my family were so shocked by it.

They always seem to think I am trying to illegally overstay my tourist visa, or work. Presumably because I am by myself (usually going to a conference), but annoying nonetheless.

My widowed DM got pulled over at a land border between Canada and the US because the US border guards were convinced she must be kidnapping us from our father. We were separated from her and held there for four hours, presumably while they confirmed he was definitely dead. DBro and I were both mid teens and both told the guards numerous times our DF had died five years ago and we were just on holiday, they just kept telling us to shut up. Absolute sadistic cunts.

Iamnotalemming · 16/08/2024 13:02

Once I was stood in a queue at JFK passport control and didn't move on to see the officer from my position at the front of the queue quickly enough because there was a sign indicating that I couldn't - as a UK passport holder - go to that particular officer. Can't remember what it said exactly but in my jetlagged state I hesitated about whether or not I could pass the yellow line.

Cue a police officer yelling at me in a broad Brooklyn accent WHAT'S THE MATTA, YA DONT SPEAK ENGLISH??!! 😂

notimagain · 16/08/2024 13:14

I don't want to cough up for yet another monthly subscription so I'll shop around the free flight monitoring sites. Flight radar does seem to be the MN go to.

TBF Flightradar is fine in as far as it goes, gives as good an overview as anything else and is certainly one of the more user friendly trackers.

All the sites have limitations that mostly don’t matter that much unless/until users start trying to perform detailed analysis……

MorrisZapp · 16/08/2024 13:17

Iamnotalemming · 16/08/2024 13:02

Once I was stood in a queue at JFK passport control and didn't move on to see the officer from my position at the front of the queue quickly enough because there was a sign indicating that I couldn't - as a UK passport holder - go to that particular officer. Can't remember what it said exactly but in my jetlagged state I hesitated about whether or not I could pass the yellow line.

Cue a police officer yelling at me in a broad Brooklyn accent WHAT'S THE MATTA, YA DONT SPEAK ENGLISH??!! 😂

Priceless 😂😂 I had to ring the hotel in New York to cancel my booking and despite being well spoken and using as clear a voice as I could, we had to abandon it when it was clear that even alpha romeo papa etc wasn't going to work.

I'll just cancel it she said, end of convo 😂

No geeks please on the police alphabet, I know it's not commonly used in America but Juliet is as good a word as any.

My surname begins with a J which even causes problems outwith Scotland. In Edinburgh we say 'jai' to rhyme with pie. Most English people say Jay to rhyme with pay.

What the fuck Americans say I'll never know because I don't carry an alphabet chart with me and repeating 'jay, not jee' just makes them think I mean G.

She asked if I was from Georgia, oh god what's the point.

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eggandonion · 16/08/2024 16:00

The aitch or haitch argument is due...
I love that op is Morris Zapp because I am a fan of David Lodge.
We got messed around by United last year when they cancelled our return flight. It's all pretty unreliable since pandemic times.

MorrisZapp · 17/08/2024 12:51

eggandonion · 16/08/2024 16:00

The aitch or haitch argument is due...
I love that op is Morris Zapp because I am a fan of David Lodge.
We got messed around by United last year when they cancelled our return flight. It's all pretty unreliable since pandemic times.

If only I possessed Morris Zapp's approach to life I'd have sipping a good whisky, slapping a passing stewardesses arse and planning my overnight hotel shenanigans all while reading Jane Austen in the first class lounge paid for by Pizzazz University whose students are all the children of millionaires.

I couldn't personally fly in a polyester safari suit though. Swings and roundabouts.

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Flammekuche · 17/08/2024 13:05

MorrisZapp · 17/08/2024 12:51

If only I possessed Morris Zapp's approach to life I'd have sipping a good whisky, slapping a passing stewardesses arse and planning my overnight hotel shenanigans all while reading Jane Austen in the first class lounge paid for by Pizzazz University whose students are all the children of millionaires.

I couldn't personally fly in a polyester safari suit though. Swings and roundabouts.

I always imagine you posting on Mn while chewing a cigar and claiming your middle initial stands for Jehovah, ‘because all women want to be screwed by a god’.

MorrisZapp · 17/08/2024 13:22

Literally me 😂 I have no issue with the god sex theory and I would extend it to Santa Claus.

I loathe the works of Jane Austen though and I blame her for the avalanche of bilge her entirely inconsequential scribblings have rained down on us without cease. Don't make me say the B word.

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eggandonion · 18/08/2024 09:54

Im going to reread Changing Places. All thanks to Aer Lingus.
I hope you have a better journey next time.😀

MorrisZapp · 18/08/2024 13:32

eggandonion · 18/08/2024 09:54

Im going to reread Changing Places. All thanks to Aer Lingus.
I hope you have a better journey next time.😀

My work here is done! It's such a brilliant book (and series) but genuine warning on the historical sexual politics - you might find some unintended yikes moments in there.

Worth it for the alluring zipped dressing gown and the mouthiest American ex wife in history ❤️❤️❤️

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MorrisZapp · 18/08/2024 13:33

Sorry just noticed you said reread. Even better!

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eggandonion · 18/08/2024 15:44

I reread How Far Can You Go a couple of years ago and reenjoyed it! I know various English Catholics from years in England.
Im not sure I want to reread Small World.

MorrisZapp · 18/08/2024 16:40

He goes into a deeper and darker exploration of his Catholic roots in Paradise News, set in Hawaii and featuring an extremely pissed off old Irishman and his slightly hapless middle aged virgin son. It's hilarious but touches on some very dark areas of shame, guilt etc.

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ColourByNumbers88 · 18/08/2024 20:44

I've often looked at that Aer Lingus flight and wondered about the 1.5 hour connection time. It seems very short so thanks for the warning @MorrisZapp if your Edinburgh flight had been on time, how long do you think is realistic for clearance? One day I will go to NYC...