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Warning for anyone connecting out of Dublin to fly to USA, don't be me!

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MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 13:45

I'm a broken human and it's all Aer Lingus's fault. Business trip yesterday Edinburgh to JFK, connecting through Dublin.

Due to weather, my Edinburgh flight was delayed and we landed late in Dublin. Still in time for connection but all travellers to the USA have to go through US Homeland Security in Dublin, and there is no fast track option for late incoming connections.

It took well over an hour to clear US customs, the queues were horrendous and there are four levels of security to clear.

I think ten different people beeped my boarding pass but this means nothing as US security exists to protect the USA, not to help people catch flights.

After a horrific race to the furthest gate in the terminal, I arrived to a closed gate and the staff clearing up. They were kind and sympathetic but I was absolutely not getting on the plane. My bags had been taken off. Other people were in the same situation.

We could not approach Aer Lingus ticketing until to got landside, and we couldn't get landside until we had our bags back, which took an hour. Once we arrived at the ticketing desk there was a queue of desperate and upset travellers ahead of us, all trying to get to the USA. There were further flights out but we couldn't get them because going through homeland security again would have taken too long, and many flights were full anyway.

All they could offer was overnight accommodation with onward travel the next day. This didn't work for me as I'd missed my meeting anyway so I had to get a flight home instead. Edinburgh was full so I took a teatime flight to Glasgow. I got home at 10pm having been in transit from 6am.

I can't explain what it feels like to miss a transatlantic flight, I'm still processing it now. Seeing that closed gate was like the most stressful scene in a film, but it was real and actually happening to me.

Catching connections works until it doesn't. How the fuck Aer Lingus thought I could negotiate their huge, multi level airport and the whole of US security in the time allowed even had my incoming flight been on time was baffling to me. Why they haven't set up support airside for all the people held up like this is a mystery for the ages. Entire families were crying, the staff were helpful but there weren't nearly enough of them and they can't offer solutions that don't exist.

People who don't live near hub airports have no choice but to use connections. I've learned my lesson. I've informed my company that my next journey to the USA will require me to catch a train to London the day before (early, in case of train shenanigans) a night in a Heathrow hotel and a flight out of Heathrow next day.

Don't be me. Don't trust airline's own itineraries for connecting flights, and never fly Dublin to USA unless you are able to arrive at Dublin many hours in advance.

And an extra fuck you to the last US security guy I dealt with. Your utter nastiness made one of the most stressful experiences of my half century on this earth even worse and for what, sir? If you want your country to be safe then ban gun ownership and be civil to middle aged ladies who obey every rule and command asked of them.

Last moan, a pint in Dublin Airport costs seven pounds thirty. Most needed pint of my life. Just.... don't be me.

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WickieRoy · 13/08/2024 14:44

Pre clearance is awesome, I'd never fly to the US without going through Dublin or Shannon. Usually there are people floating around to bring anyone tight for time to the front of the queue, although in fairness it's been a few years now - did you speak to any people?

Connecting flights are always stressful when they go wrong, always make sure to leave plenty of time in between but sometimes delays will mean you can't make your next connection.

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 14:44

BrookGreen54 · 13/08/2024 14:34

OP could have booked an earlier flight. I certainly do if I know that I have a connection to make.

I wasn't given an earlier option. If I'd flown the day before it would have been two separate tickets and much more expensive, a hotel chucked in, and two separate check ins. Obviously having seen what I've seen I will suck that option up going forward, and the overnight stay will have to be factored in.

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RantyMcRanterton · 13/08/2024 14:46

Aw Morris that is a right old fashioned bummer, I am so sorry.

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MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 14:49

RantyMcRanterton · 13/08/2024 14:46

Aw Morris that is a right old fashioned bummer, I am so sorry.

Human kindness, I love it! Thank you so much. Nobody died, the worst that happened was inconvenience. I'm already laughing about it but holy heck I hope nobody else has a day like that because in the moment, it was truly awful.

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Poggishairtufts · 13/08/2024 14:51

Are there not 3 airlines that now do EDI - JFK direct?

DataPup · 13/08/2024 14:52

I once allowed 7 hours between connecting flights (domestic followed by transatlantic). Still missed it!

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 14:53

longdistanceclaraclara · 13/08/2024 14:41

I.5 hours was ambitious at the best of times. You could have got an earlier flight. Lesson learnt. We always go through Dublin to USA

I got the first flight out of Edinburgh, there wasn't an earlier one. I have indeed learnt from my experience and am trying to stop others making the same mistake (ie assuming Aer Lingus have seen Dublin Airport before)

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notimagain · 13/08/2024 14:53

@MorrisZapp

Catching connections works until it doesn't. How the fuck Aer Lingus thought I could negotiate their huge, multi level airport and the whole of US security in the time allowed even had my incoming flight been on time was baffling to me

I appreciate you got caught out yesterday by weather but presumably Aer Lingus thought the original booking complied with whatever they regard as Minimum Connection Time (MCT) for these sort of connections?

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 14:54

Poggishairtufts · 13/08/2024 14:51

Are there not 3 airlines that now do EDI - JFK direct?

There are, and they're very expensive. This is an issue between me and my company. They're also narrow bodied planes which terrify nervous passengers like me. I was due to return on Jet Blue, a direct flight.

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MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 14:55

DataPup · 13/08/2024 14:52

I once allowed 7 hours between connecting flights (domestic followed by transatlantic). Still missed it!

A record, surely? Bloody hell!

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WingSluts · 13/08/2024 14:56

I can't explain what it feels like to miss a transatlantic flight, I'm still processing it now. Seeing that closed gate was like the most stressful scene in a film, but it was real and actually happening to me.

It’s really shitty this has happened to you but my god, get some perspective. It was a work trip, not a mercy dash to your dying family member. You can’t describe what it felt like? It’s happened to me and it was fucking irritating but that’s it.

timetodecide2345 · 13/08/2024 14:56

Just click the Teams button. Simples!

BiddyPop · 13/08/2024 14:56

I've had problems connecting through Heathrow's and JFK. I've seen issues with connections through Amsterdam and Paris. Multiple airlines, many "national carriers".

It happens in the air travel world.

Your company needs to build in sufficient time for you to get Stateside and be ready for the meeting - not expecting you to leave at 6am and do the meeting after a transatlantic journey with a connection. (Going on the fact you couldn't make the meeting going next day).

Dublin is getting bigger as an airport but it is still a lot smaller than some major hubs so easier to navigate (I've been through many, many airports over my almost 25 years of travelling - many long haul and involving multiple legs).

And a pint is very expensive in every airport!

YaWeeFurryBastard · 13/08/2024 14:57

People are being very rude to you OP. I can only surmise they don’t travel very often and don't have professional jobs so can’t imagine that yes, it can be very stressful if you end up missing an important meeting in another country that no doubt countless other people have made arrangements for.

You would absolutely expect that if an airline is selling a ticket, they would have allowed appropriate connection time, not least because it’s expensive for them to rebook you and potentially pay accommodation charges.

Sorry this happened but glad the beer and the Olympic team helped!

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 14:58

notimagain · 13/08/2024 14:53

@MorrisZapp

Catching connections works until it doesn't. How the fuck Aer Lingus thought I could negotiate their huge, multi level airport and the whole of US security in the time allowed even had my incoming flight been on time was baffling to me

I appreciate you got caught out yesterday by weather but presumably Aer Lingus thought the original booking complied with whatever they regard as Minimum Connection Time (MCT) for these sort of connections?

I don't know their protocols but it wasn't just the weather. We couldn't get off the flight in Dublin because the steps wouldn't attach, that added ten minutes. Then we had to get a bus to the terminal, that took a weirdly long time. I don't imagine they factor in all these minor delays that add up to missing a flight.

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YaWeeFurryBastard · 13/08/2024 14:58

timetodecide2345 · 13/08/2024 14:56

Just click the Teams button. Simples!

Just read the thread, simples!

DataPup · 13/08/2024 15:00

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 14:55

A record, surely? Bloody hell!

I'm sure plenty of people will have had similar. You're a bit stuffed when your flight lands in Detroit instead of Chicago 😂

Initially Aer Lingus said they couldn't get me a space on another flight from Chicago to Dublin for 21 days....

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 15:00

WingSluts · 13/08/2024 14:56

I can't explain what it feels like to miss a transatlantic flight, I'm still processing it now. Seeing that closed gate was like the most stressful scene in a film, but it was real and actually happening to me.

It’s really shitty this has happened to you but my god, get some perspective. It was a work trip, not a mercy dash to your dying family member. You can’t describe what it felt like? It’s happened to me and it was fucking irritating but that’s it.

You're a big strong legend. Genuinely, good for you. I'm sanguine about most of life's shite but that moment was ghastly. We're all different.

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blacksax · 13/08/2024 15:01

BrookGreen54 · 13/08/2024 13:49

‘Never fly Dublin to USA’ 🤣

Dublin US pre-clearance is fantastic if you use it correctly and arrive to the airport on time. We have always breezed through it. Saves so much hassle once you land.

Your connecting flight was delayed OP. It happens. Stop with the entitled moaning.

Edited

I'm sure the OP will look forward to it happening to you one day, and then you'll be able to look back on this spiteful post and wish you hadn't tempted fate.

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 15:01

timetodecide2345 · 13/08/2024 14:56

Just click the Teams button. Simples!

Silly me 😂

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MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 15:03

YaWeeFurryBastard · 13/08/2024 14:57

People are being very rude to you OP. I can only surmise they don’t travel very often and don't have professional jobs so can’t imagine that yes, it can be very stressful if you end up missing an important meeting in another country that no doubt countless other people have made arrangements for.

You would absolutely expect that if an airline is selling a ticket, they would have allowed appropriate connection time, not least because it’s expensive for them to rebook you and potentially pay accommodation charges.

Sorry this happened but glad the beer and the Olympic team helped!

You are marvellous and probably Scottish. The Olympic team looked a bit grumpy but to be fair I can sympathise 😂

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PoodlesRUs · 13/08/2024 15:05

WingSluts · 13/08/2024 14:56

I can't explain what it feels like to miss a transatlantic flight, I'm still processing it now. Seeing that closed gate was like the most stressful scene in a film, but it was real and actually happening to me.

It’s really shitty this has happened to you but my god, get some perspective. It was a work trip, not a mercy dash to your dying family member. You can’t describe what it felt like? It’s happened to me and it was fucking irritating but that’s it.

😂 exactly!

notimagain · 13/08/2024 15:07

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 14:58

I don't know their protocols but it wasn't just the weather. We couldn't get off the flight in Dublin because the steps wouldn't attach, that added ten minutes. Then we had to get a bus to the terminal, that took a weirdly long time. I don't imagine they factor in all these minor delays that add up to missing a flight.

Ah ok…I know MCTs can be tight, and then every now and the unknown unknowns stack up and……..

BTW with regard to narrow bodies on the Atlantic (e.g. JetBlue and their 321 neos ) don’t forget back in the day (pre -747 , so roughly 1970 onwards) it was all narrow bodied stuff across the pond, 707s, VC-10s etc..etc,

Also anything on the Atlantic nowadays, from the “little” A318s that BA used to run between London and JFK, up to the big twins like the 777 and the A350 are all complying with all sorts of modern construction and maintenance requirements that allow them to fly routes relatively distant from alternate airfields.

I wouldn’t assume a small twin is less safe overwater than a big twin just because of the size difference.

YouLookLikeStevieNicks · 13/08/2024 15:07

I booked this exact route with Aer Lingus last time I went to New York, but I didn't trust the connection times so in the end I just booked the Aer Lingus flight from Dublin and a separate flight to Dublin the night before. Stayed at an airport hotel in Dublin, got up and had breakfast there (included in the room rate) and strolled over to the airport. Went through pre-clearance at Dublin and as I only had hand luggage I was out of JFK 7 minutes after landing. It was the least stressful journey I've ever had!

Doesn't help you now OP but if you have to do this trip again I'd do that over going to Heathrow the night before. Pre-clearance at Dublin saves so much time, it took me 4 hours to get through US customs at JFK once.

halava · 13/08/2024 15:08

Why is there no pre clearance in the UK?

I always use either Shannon or Dublin. But it's usually Ryanair to either airport and whatever other airline is going to the US from Ireland that suits my pocket and destination. There are some great bargains out there if you have flexibility.

I agree though, that AL were very ambitious in only allowing 1.5 hours for transfer. But OP, no offence, were you not worried yourself that that timeline was very tight?

The Olympians were "grumpy", how so? Not in the coverage I saw.....

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