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Warning for anyone connecting out of Dublin to fly to USA, don't be me!

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MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 13:45

I'm a broken human and it's all Aer Lingus's fault. Business trip yesterday Edinburgh to JFK, connecting through Dublin.

Due to weather, my Edinburgh flight was delayed and we landed late in Dublin. Still in time for connection but all travellers to the USA have to go through US Homeland Security in Dublin, and there is no fast track option for late incoming connections.

It took well over an hour to clear US customs, the queues were horrendous and there are four levels of security to clear.

I think ten different people beeped my boarding pass but this means nothing as US security exists to protect the USA, not to help people catch flights.

After a horrific race to the furthest gate in the terminal, I arrived to a closed gate and the staff clearing up. They were kind and sympathetic but I was absolutely not getting on the plane. My bags had been taken off. Other people were in the same situation.

We could not approach Aer Lingus ticketing until to got landside, and we couldn't get landside until we had our bags back, which took an hour. Once we arrived at the ticketing desk there was a queue of desperate and upset travellers ahead of us, all trying to get to the USA. There were further flights out but we couldn't get them because going through homeland security again would have taken too long, and many flights were full anyway.

All they could offer was overnight accommodation with onward travel the next day. This didn't work for me as I'd missed my meeting anyway so I had to get a flight home instead. Edinburgh was full so I took a teatime flight to Glasgow. I got home at 10pm having been in transit from 6am.

I can't explain what it feels like to miss a transatlantic flight, I'm still processing it now. Seeing that closed gate was like the most stressful scene in a film, but it was real and actually happening to me.

Catching connections works until it doesn't. How the fuck Aer Lingus thought I could negotiate their huge, multi level airport and the whole of US security in the time allowed even had my incoming flight been on time was baffling to me. Why they haven't set up support airside for all the people held up like this is a mystery for the ages. Entire families were crying, the staff were helpful but there weren't nearly enough of them and they can't offer solutions that don't exist.

People who don't live near hub airports have no choice but to use connections. I've learned my lesson. I've informed my company that my next journey to the USA will require me to catch a train to London the day before (early, in case of train shenanigans) a night in a Heathrow hotel and a flight out of Heathrow next day.

Don't be me. Don't trust airline's own itineraries for connecting flights, and never fly Dublin to USA unless you are able to arrive at Dublin many hours in advance.

And an extra fuck you to the last US security guy I dealt with. Your utter nastiness made one of the most stressful experiences of my half century on this earth even worse and for what, sir? If you want your country to be safe then ban gun ownership and be civil to middle aged ladies who obey every rule and command asked of them.

Last moan, a pint in Dublin Airport costs seven pounds thirty. Most needed pint of my life. Just.... don't be me.

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IDontHateRainbows · 14/08/2024 00:23

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 13:45

I'm a broken human and it's all Aer Lingus's fault. Business trip yesterday Edinburgh to JFK, connecting through Dublin.

Due to weather, my Edinburgh flight was delayed and we landed late in Dublin. Still in time for connection but all travellers to the USA have to go through US Homeland Security in Dublin, and there is no fast track option for late incoming connections.

It took well over an hour to clear US customs, the queues were horrendous and there are four levels of security to clear.

I think ten different people beeped my boarding pass but this means nothing as US security exists to protect the USA, not to help people catch flights.

After a horrific race to the furthest gate in the terminal, I arrived to a closed gate and the staff clearing up. They were kind and sympathetic but I was absolutely not getting on the plane. My bags had been taken off. Other people were in the same situation.

We could not approach Aer Lingus ticketing until to got landside, and we couldn't get landside until we had our bags back, which took an hour. Once we arrived at the ticketing desk there was a queue of desperate and upset travellers ahead of us, all trying to get to the USA. There were further flights out but we couldn't get them because going through homeland security again would have taken too long, and many flights were full anyway.

All they could offer was overnight accommodation with onward travel the next day. This didn't work for me as I'd missed my meeting anyway so I had to get a flight home instead. Edinburgh was full so I took a teatime flight to Glasgow. I got home at 10pm having been in transit from 6am.

I can't explain what it feels like to miss a transatlantic flight, I'm still processing it now. Seeing that closed gate was like the most stressful scene in a film, but it was real and actually happening to me.

Catching connections works until it doesn't. How the fuck Aer Lingus thought I could negotiate their huge, multi level airport and the whole of US security in the time allowed even had my incoming flight been on time was baffling to me. Why they haven't set up support airside for all the people held up like this is a mystery for the ages. Entire families were crying, the staff were helpful but there weren't nearly enough of them and they can't offer solutions that don't exist.

People who don't live near hub airports have no choice but to use connections. I've learned my lesson. I've informed my company that my next journey to the USA will require me to catch a train to London the day before (early, in case of train shenanigans) a night in a Heathrow hotel and a flight out of Heathrow next day.

Don't be me. Don't trust airline's own itineraries for connecting flights, and never fly Dublin to USA unless you are able to arrive at Dublin many hours in advance.

And an extra fuck you to the last US security guy I dealt with. Your utter nastiness made one of the most stressful experiences of my half century on this earth even worse and for what, sir? If you want your country to be safe then ban gun ownership and be civil to middle aged ladies who obey every rule and command asked of them.

Last moan, a pint in Dublin Airport costs seven pounds thirty. Most needed pint of my life. Just.... don't be me.

A pint will cost more than that in London

deviantfeline · 14/08/2024 01:50

Next time try BA Edinburgh to London City airport then picking up flight BA1 LCY to JFK it stops off in Shannon airport for US pre clearance

LCY is the quickest most efficient airport ever and you only do the US immigration once you are on the plane so no hold ups transferring from your EDI flight.

mathanxiety · 14/08/2024 03:24

Choux · 13/08/2024 20:57

Anyone heard of Mobile Passport Control app for the US? Only one person has mentioned it on this thread.

Since December returning ESTA holders (ie those who have previously been fingerprinted) can use this app to speed up entry by submitting details via the app. Plus there are sometimes pre designated lines rather than having to queue with all foreign passport holders. It's available at 54 airports including Dublin and Abu Dhabi which was also mentioned on this thread.

www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citizens/mobile-passport-control#:~:text=Now%2C%20with%20mobile%20passport%20control,the%20palm%20of%20their%20hands.

The operative word wrt the lines is sometimes.

When I flew from Dublin to the US earlier this summer, we were all mixed together, and people were directed to stand behind a line and wait to be beckoned by the officer when those ahead of them were processed. It took the same amount of time for American and all other passports to go through the passport verification machines.

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OVienna · 14/08/2024 06:22

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 13/08/2024 23:41

She does of course stop to use a pay phone on the way too. The US characters had mobiles though, because obviously they are just sooo advanced by comparison.

I love Amy Adams but I really struggle to forgive her that one.

It's a shocker she and Glenn close agreed to be on that monstrous rendering of JD Vance's book, Hillbilly Elegy too.

notimagain · 14/08/2024 08:00

deviantfeline · 14/08/2024 01:50

Next time try BA Edinburgh to London City airport then picking up flight BA1 LCY to JFK it stops off in Shannon airport for US pre clearance

LCY is the quickest most efficient airport ever and you only do the US immigration once you are on the plane so no hold ups transferring from your EDI flight.

Unfortunately the BA1 LCY to JFK (via Shannon) was scrapped at the start of the pandemic in 2020 and has never been reinstated.

https://www.headforpoints.com/2024/03/19/british-airways-ba1-london-city-new-york/

MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 08:09

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 13/08/2024 23:43

I will however forgive Matthew Goode cos he's a ride. And too good for that Lady Mary!!

If you watch Godless you will learn that in fact Lady Mary is the ride and chinless wonder could do with a few good dinners.

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GinForBreakfast · 14/08/2024 08:12

Agree 100% OP. I do the Dublin-USA frequently with a connecting flight and I always have an overnight inbetween the two.

MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 08:13

Sitdownrosa · 13/08/2024 19:48

In this day and age why are people still flying halfway across the world for a meeting?

In my case, because local law requires it. The applicants deserve their day in court and NY doesn't accept remote testimony. Zoom was my very first suggestion and it would save all parties a fortune but we can't override their jurisdiction. I'm phobic of flying and transatlantic terrifies me but in this one case, it's required of me.

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MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 08:18

What precipitated this whole preclearance yoke anyway? Given that it's possible, why is Heathrow left in the dark ages? Do the Americans just really love Ireland (of course they do) or are there particular logistical or legal issues that make Ireland workable and UK not?

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notimagain · 14/08/2024 08:26

MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 08:18

What precipitated this whole preclearance yoke anyway? Given that it's possible, why is Heathrow left in the dark ages? Do the Americans just really love Ireland (of course they do) or are there particular logistical or legal issues that make Ireland workable and UK not?

When I was working out of LHR a while back there was a vague rumour doing the rounds of pre-clearance coming to at least one of the terminals - this was maybe a decade or more ago.

I don’t know if serious negotiations ever really started and if they did how far they went but (rumour again) politics, and the concessions demanded by the US made the deal unacceptable to the UK side.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 14/08/2024 09:03

MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 08:18

What precipitated this whole preclearance yoke anyway? Given that it's possible, why is Heathrow left in the dark ages? Do the Americans just really love Ireland (of course they do) or are there particular logistical or legal issues that make Ireland workable and UK not?

I don't know but for a long time almost 100% of Irish tourism came from US, there are entire towns that seem to exist solely for US visitors so I suspect it was really pushed for on the Irish side. That and possibly the mass emigration from Ireland to US that went on for decades. Just my guess

LookItsMeAgain · 14/08/2024 09:19

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 23:27

UPDATE

The pint didn't cost 7 pounds thirty, it cost 6 pounds twenty.

It's easy to forget Ireland's a separate country 😊

We're actually very proud that Ireland is a separate country.

Can you clarify something - you say that your pint cost 6 pounds something. What are these pounds you're talking about?

Happy travels using other separate countries to do so. 🙂

MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 09:27

My apologies for that faux pas. I'm Scottish and we're halfway separate but not really, and very proud to be different too so I'll eat humble pie.

The beer was six pounds sterling, Dublin felt so much like home I forgot the existence of the euro. I also forgot I have to go in the non EU queues but that's a recent development and none of us voted for it so I can be forgiven that one.

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Flammekuche · 14/08/2024 09:34

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 14/08/2024 09:03

I don't know but for a long time almost 100% of Irish tourism came from US, there are entire towns that seem to exist solely for US visitors so I suspect it was really pushed for on the Irish side. That and possibly the mass emigration from Ireland to US that went on for decades. Just my guess

No. It long predated air travel, and has existed in some Canadian seaports since the late 19thc (passengers travelling to the US were pre-inspected before embarking) and has operated from several Canadian airports, seaports (useful for cruises) and also airports in Bermuda, the Bahamas, the UAE and some other places. I think some of the latter have existed since the 70s. Shannon and Dublin airports have only had partial ‘pre-clearance’ capacity since the late 80s and early 1990s — full pre-clearance is more recent.

It’s way more of an advantage to the US than to the pre-clearance airport countries. For a start it’s a legal minefield (Ireland held a review of the situation when Trump introduced bans on citizens of several countries travelling to the US), and for another, a pre-clearance airport has to build entirely separate facilities to house US immigration, and it’s staffed by US law enforcement officers, though they can’t be armed under Irish law.

HughsMermaid · 14/08/2024 09:58

MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 09:27

My apologies for that faux pas. I'm Scottish and we're halfway separate but not really, and very proud to be different too so I'll eat humble pie.

The beer was six pounds sterling, Dublin felt so much like home I forgot the existence of the euro. I also forgot I have to go in the non EU queues but that's a recent development and none of us voted for it so I can be forgiven that one.

In fairness Morris, Scotland has got me as penance so you're absolved. 😁

MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 10:03

I'm glad Ireland stuck to their gun laws. I get it that the US will be running their own security but nobody wants to see gun toting operatives this side of the pond.

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MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 10:04

HughsMermaid · 14/08/2024 09:58

In fairness Morris, Scotland has got me as penance so you're absolved. 😁

You're so welcome and should probably bring all your family too. We're shrinking 😊

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HughsMermaid · 14/08/2024 10:06

Even better - I've reproduced while here and have a reserved teenaged Aberdonian loon who remarks that the Irish talk a lot. Glad of his Irish passport though.

HughsMermaid · 14/08/2024 10:08

And thanks for the welcome Morris 🥰 Lovely to be here.

Chipsahoy · 14/08/2024 10:11

Dear lord this is dramatic. Fly to America all the time with two connections. Often delayed, it’s just part of it.

deviantfeline · 14/08/2024 10:19

@notimagain noo! I loved BA1!

I've been out of the country since 2017 in my defence. Apologies for the out of date advice OP!

HyggeTygge · 14/08/2024 10:29

Chipsahoy · 14/08/2024 10:11

Dear lord this is dramatic. Fly to America all the time with two connections. Often delayed, it’s just part of it.

Did you think that OP is complaining about being delayed?

MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 10:34

Chipsahoy · 14/08/2024 10:11

Dear lord this is dramatic. Fly to America all the time with two connections. Often delayed, it’s just part of it.

Hi, I fly rarely and I wasn't merely delayed, I missed the flight. Had to turn back. I'm absolutely fine but yes in the moment it was all highly dramatic.

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MorrisZapp · 14/08/2024 10:36

HughsMermaid · 14/08/2024 10:06

Even better - I've reproduced while here and have a reserved teenaged Aberdonian loon who remarks that the Irish talk a lot. Glad of his Irish passport though.

These young folk are all about the vegan rowies, I can't keep up.

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notimagain · 14/08/2024 12:11

@Flammekuche

Thanks for your post.

a pre-clearance airport has to build entirely separate facilities to house US immigration, and it’s staffed by US law enforcement officers, though they can’t be armed under Irish law.

Infrastructure was one of the ( rumoured) problems with the (rumoured) idea of bringing it in at LHR.

You’d possibly need effectively a segregated portion of the terminal(s) which amongst other things clobbers flexible use of gates/late gate changes.