Why are majority of the riots in northern towns?

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DH & I were watching the riots on the news this morning like most people absolutely horrified.

He's from one of the northern towns affected although we live in the south and started discussing why these riots now (and historically) tend to be more focused on northern towns but didn't really come up with any one thing. Any thoughts on this?

But we already know Labours plans. They detailed it in their manifesto. Their plan for curbing illegal immigration via the channel, is to smash the smuggling gangs. Now I’m no politician, but I know that this won’t work - smash a smuggling gang? Others will just step in to fill the gap. The gangs will never be eradicated. I’m sure Labour know this, but are just paying lip service to make people think they’re doing something.

The riots in Tottenham riots were in 2011 - what relevance are they to the past week?

It may be people are just fed up by two tiered expectations

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Intersting points.

I live in a binnof a northern town, linked to the death of Jo Cox.

The mantra of We are far more united and have far more in common than that which divides us.” adopted in the area is lovely in sentiment but a sticking plaster of a slogan for bubbling tensions, deprived areas, housing issues, poverty, dire education provision, growing crime, suspicion of police not handling crime appropriately etc

Areas of town are becoming ghettoised by immigrants that are being placed in substandard private housing that the council wont condemn as they don't have capacity to rehouse tenants.

Examples being chunks of abomded high street area turned into flats that are obviously not fit for purpose, with household furniture set up in the middle of the road as people extend their space, padding pools with children playing in the middle of roads , clothes airers blocking pavements, all "housing" bought for cheap by private landlords as the buildings are in dire states, minumum work onnthem to make thrm habitable, and extortionate rents cgarged to.the council to house tenants.

Crime is out of control, drugs are dealt openly, large froups of mslescongregate in town drinking alcohol and smoking weed - it is too iinsafe for eople to use town so they don't go in, there are very few shoppers, just peopke driving to a service or shop they need, eg opticians, and straight back out of town.

Children's services, social workers, police etc are so overstrectched schools (this will be the same in a lot of areas) are acting in place of these services yet dont have increased funding ir staffing to deal with it - eg schools buying travel tickets for families to get children into schools as families have exhausted support of social services and dont have the means to get children to school.

Trafficking of girls is kniwn inbthe area - safeguarding trainkng for school DSLs fcuses on known hot spot areas, link back to families eith language barriers, no invome etc to see how this is a growing area.

There are 'good' peple who want to see multiculturalism work - however radicalism in all areas (religious groups, disenfranchised young men, manipulation of vulnerable povery driven groups) are the real growing concerns.

But... but... people identifyong this are shot down, they are labelled racist, islamaphobes, thugs...

Some are, but some aren't..

There are very real growing concerns in many nierthern towns that will be copies of the above, and shooting down voiced concerns isn't helping.

I wish I could share information about this but it wouldn't be believed. Governments are aware of the problems, they just arent interested.

I tell my children work.hard and get out of this area and be open eyed about where to move to.

So it IS you, Suella. Welcome back to mumsnet.

I think many posts on here show just out of touch so much of the middle class are to working class peoples lives in poor areas and a total lack of understanding of the level of poverty.

Rwanda cost how many billion. It was ludicrous and unfathomably expensive but you’re moaning about Labour’s plans.

Because the right wing rioters come from the south.
Not going to wreck their own areas.

You’re posh! We only have XL Bully piss in ours!

😂😂

Yup but they’ve been to Harrogate and York on holibobs and think it’s all like that.…And they only ever move to these places that on the whole are shut off to folk on ordinary or low wages. I always laugh when ex southerners living up north bang on about how amazing life is up here, but of course, you’re living off bishy road or some nice middle class market town full of people like you 😂

Yes the Nottingham murders were awful

What was he even doing in the UK.

Why aren’t there any riots in Scotland or Wales?

It did happen but it must have been on the train to Leeds from other Northern City as I did think they doesn’t make sense. The lack of food choices was their perception as they are used to lots of nice choices on their doorstep in London central. You have literally stated in you post about the deprivation is more profound are you saying this is a reason for the riots or not I don’t really understand your point.

Yes.The Southern right wingers care so much about the North and poverty they go and destroy their towns.

Although Neil and Danny in the Chapel Allerton butchers are very good if you like that sort of thing (I don't but the rest of the family eat meat). Maybe that's what PP's 'colleague' meant, Danny makes a cracking burger and lamb skewer. I'll be sure to tell him someone from Multicultural London approves.

Tarbett's fishmongers is just outstanding. George and Joseph cheesemongers champion some awardwinning local cheese makers - although it's not exactly The Courtyard Dairy. Hopping's right, it's awash in chichi cafes.

Quite frankly, I think Leeds has enough on its plate at the moment without dealing with Goldenbear's preconceptions.

Because we all absolutely believe that at Leeds station Starbucks, Pret, Cafe Nero, Coffee Room, Panopilis, whatever Bagel Nash is now (Bagel Factory, maybe) and even McDonalds and Wetherspoons had all run out of coffee the day her imaginary friend visited.

And because of this dearth of ground coffee, the North and Yorkshire are condemned to be rioting right wing nut jobs, living on meat and Greggs.

Working class white boys recognised as now being the most underachieving demographic and having little hope of better futures.
Seeing illegal migrants preferentially being housed at the expense of our indigent young people breeds resentment

Then, lets add in a realistic scenario -
WC Lad grows up, gets low paid but full-time job, meets girl, they move into rental, she has baby, works p/t. He has MH crisis, relationship breaks down, he has to move out, can't afford a flat, houseshare is all he can afford, his ex won't let him see his kid, his MH can't cope, gets evicted, council won't help, gets directed to homeless charity, but as a single male under 35, no accommodation. Gets given a sleeping bag and told to rough sleep.

While pleading for help he sees housing notices in a dozen languages and reports, however, accurate or inaccurate of immigrants being housed, given allowances.
He eventually gets on his feet, but the damage is done. He is now hardened to the world and cynical of authorities.
You can see why anyone seeing this unfolding would think immigrants are being treated more favourably.

It was. Rwanda was never going to work. It was a shit idea. That’s what I’m saying. We’re going to be screwed over be Labour just as we were with the Tories. That’s the reality of the situation we’re in.

Interesting username

Some really good points here.
I'm white British, but born and bred in London, and only moved to another city to afford housing -but London has always been really diverse.
People of all races, from all over the World live there.

In rural areas, the almost uniform whiteness is noticeable..It's definitely something I notice compared to living in larger cities.

The Nottingham attack was nothing to do with race. It was a failure of mental health services. He was psychotic i.e. had lost touch with reality. This is what happens when our mental health services get spread so thin they can not properly cope with people who are more seriously mentally ill.

This perfectly sums it up. What’s more the issues in Birmingham you speak of have moved further and further down the Stratford road - it really is one law for one. During covid, massive groups were gathering in certain house, cars spilling onto the roads (often parked over the pavements) absolutely nothing done. Yet walk to closely to someone in the park down on you like a ton of bricks. Knife crime was prevalent, almost invariably Asian youths, yet you weren’t allowed to say. Swopping houses between family members so, was once the local CofE school, was almost entirely Muslim.

Theres no desire to integrate with the existing population. We were lucky and could leave, we had no ties really, but still had to remove our child from school. We’ve moved to an overwhelmingly white area, it’s so much nicer, shared values, norms and experiences. People interact and talk about shared things and experiences. It feels a community. But yes we were forced out of our long standing home, because we no longer felt there was a community we could be part of.

No, it didn't happen. That, and everything else you posted, was utter bullshit.

You don't even need to go through the barrier and leave the platform at Leeds train station to access more than one proper coffee shop. That's why everyone knows you're talking out of your arse (or your mate was, and you were gullible enough to believe it).

And yes there is widespread deprivation in the north. There are also many decent coffee shops and restaurants in the centre of every major northern city, and have been for years. Both are true.

Just like there are areas of London with intense poverty, but also Harrods and Belgravia.

Leeds is posh ffs.

And you could argue that our public services are spread so thin because of immigration.

Where have I blamed Reform? my comment was about Farage, I know he is the leader but I didn't mention the party he is currently in charge of. In fact I rarely think of him within the context of Reform as I think he just sees his limited company (£25 membership with no voting rights for those who sign uo) as a stepping stone to joining the Tories. Where can I read or view his statement condemning the riots?