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It's not over until the Cat Lady sings - Trump thread #133

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Spandauer · 03/08/2024 23:02

Bigly Thanks to BruceAndNosh for the thread title.

Hopefully people can open this link OK.
https://x.com/amy_siskind/status/1818015701023735951?s=46&t=sQEeBsNjiTta_B_D1Qh6IQ

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5058103-trump-trial-time-banish-all-memories-of-mueller

x.com

https://x.com/amy_siskind/status/1818015701023735951?s=46&t=sQEeBsNjiTta_B_D1Qh6IQ

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Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 06/09/2024 16:41

heldinadream · 06/09/2024 16:39

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom is that unedited? It's atrocious. I mean really, really just a stream of complete nuts.

Yes it's unedited and is what now passes for the acceptable norm for Trump amongs his supporters and the right-wing media. It's disgraceful. Plus, the man's a felon. Gaaaah. I know I'm boring and repetetive on the subject, but I really, really, really, cannot understand why anyone watching his antics and his clear descent into dementia (far more so than President Biden) would choose to vote for him to be President. The first time round was bad enough, but he's much worse now.

heldinadream · 06/09/2024 16:50

Thanks for posting it, I've just shared it with my DH.
We're trying to decide if Trump's actually got dementia at this point, or is he just waffling way out of his depth and hoping his voters are too stupid to understand anything.
Jeez, how did we all get here. It's just shit all over right now.

I feel sorry for Kamala, she has to win, and then half the planet will be looking to her. I would not be in that job right now for all the status, respect and remuneration on earth.

SerendipityJane · 06/09/2024 16:52

heldinadream · 06/09/2024 16:39

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom is that unedited? It's atrocious. I mean really, really just a stream of complete nuts.

The comments are funny. A lot pointing out that the usual MAGA whine of "you've snipped that and taken it out of context" would really have done the old Don a favour here.

A bit like all the republicans who really fought to put RFK on the ballot now having to fight to take him off it. Which I vaguely recall as a plot line in Veep.

Igotjelly · 06/09/2024 16:56

I do think if he performs like that in the debate he’ll absolutely tank compared to her which would be great. Problem is he can be performative when he wants to be and that might get him through if she isn’t totally on her game.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 06/09/2024 17:10

Are they allowed earphones for the debate? He might actually do better without them, I mean if he were not trying to do what they suggest and just blethering in his usual way.

Wallaw · 06/09/2024 17:17

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 06/09/2024 09:34

I do hope they're wrong. I hope people are kind of playing down the potential success of the Kamala/Walz ticket in order to get waverers to think again and go out and vote for them to get rid of the possibility of a Trump/MAGA dictatorship once and for all. To my mind, that is the only way of saving democracy in the USA. Sounds dramatic, I know, but I dread to think of what would happen should Trump and Vance win in November.

I really like Campbell and Stewart, but don't think they really quite get the nuances of American electoral politics. I wouldn't put too much weight either way on their predictions.

Adding: There are people who are much more skilled at interpreting polling than they are, who are basically saying it's impossible (and possibly foolish) to extrapolate too much from the polls at this point.

I do agree with you on democracy, though.

BruceAndNosh · 06/09/2024 17:23

heldinadream · 06/09/2024 16:39

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom is that unedited? It's atrocious. I mean really, really just a stream of complete nuts.

Harris HQ flattered him. He actually went on for about 3 times the length of what they printed and didn't get any better. It was like trying to read the last chapter of Ulysses , a stream of (semi) consciousness with absolutely no punctuation. I think tariffs were mentioned, and trillions of dollars and child care because children and child care.
Hope that clarifies matters!

Wallaw · 06/09/2024 17:23

And now from that notorious bastion of left wing thought, Goldman Sachs 😂

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/goldman-sachs-sees-biggest-boost-us-economy-harris-win-2024-09-04/

BruceAndNosh · 06/09/2024 17:30

The most irritating thing is that Trump has a certain fluidity to his ramblings. If you listen with half an ear you catch the soundbites and catchphrases, and it's only if you listen properly you catch the full lack of any sense.
Those that support him hear the stuff they know and love and they mentally fill in any context that Trump has missed,
He's also very quick to cover his more obvious flubs- when he completely mangles a word or loses his train of thought he interjects a "reset phrase" like "you know what" or "and let me tell you" so that he can go off off on a tangent

Wallaw · 06/09/2024 17:41

BruceAndNosh · 06/09/2024 17:30

The most irritating thing is that Trump has a certain fluidity to his ramblings. If you listen with half an ear you catch the soundbites and catchphrases, and it's only if you listen properly you catch the full lack of any sense.
Those that support him hear the stuff they know and love and they mentally fill in any context that Trump has missed,
He's also very quick to cover his more obvious flubs- when he completely mangles a word or loses his train of thought he interjects a "reset phrase" like "you know what" or "and let me tell you" so that he can go off off on a tangent

Edited

You call it ramblings, some recognise his intellectual brilliance 😅

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-incoherent-rambling-weave.html

Trump Tries to Rebrand Incoherent Rambling As ‘the Weave’

He claims his many English professor friends tell him, “It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-incoherent-rambling-weave.html

SerendipityJane · 06/09/2024 17:48

Most MAGA types aren't listening to the words anyway. For them it's enough the profit is speaking. You may as well use science to convince a zealot.

I'm developing a theory that the "Trump problem" is what you get when there are too many people in the world, and 80% of the grown up work is done by 20% of the people. With noting of any great import to challenge their minds, people just get their brains tangled up in bullshit like a robovac on a tassled rug.

If I'm right, then Trump losing won't end this. Well, it might for him. But the freed robovac brains will just be whizzing aimlessly around until they snag another goofball.

Eventually nature will intervene - she always does. And the problem like all problems in nature will be self limiting. Although our great/grandchildren may not think kindly of us. No #bekind for how we left them.

Anyway, it's just a thought. Y'all have a good day out there 😀

Igotjelly · 06/09/2024 18:28

Wallaw · 06/09/2024 17:17

I really like Campbell and Stewart, but don't think they really quite get the nuances of American electoral politics. I wouldn't put too much weight either way on their predictions.

Adding: There are people who are much more skilled at interpreting polling than they are, who are basically saying it's impossible (and possibly foolish) to extrapolate too much from the polls at this point.

I do agree with you on democracy, though.

Edited

It’s not Rory and Alastair it’s the US version so Anthony Scaramucci and Katty Kay.

Igotjelly · 06/09/2024 18:30

I get the impression both are still very looped into both the Rep and Dem parties and know their stuff.

Wallaw · 06/09/2024 18:50

Igotjelly · 06/09/2024 18:28

It’s not Rory and Alastair it’s the US version so Anthony Scaramucci and Katty Kay.

Edited

Ah, yes. They're both really good, but still not really who I'd turn to for analysis of the electorate, turnout and polling.

Spandauer · 06/09/2024 19:17

As expected Trump’s N.Y. hush money sentencing delayed until after Nov. election.

Prosecutors did not object to a request from Trump’s attorneys to delay the sentencing, which had been scheduled for Sept. 18.


New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan changed the date to Nov. 26, noting the extraordinary nature and timing of the first-ever sentencing of a former U.S. president — a defendant who, in this case, in again running for the highest office in the land.


“This matter is one that stands alone, in a unique place in this Nation’s history, and this Court has presided over it since its inception — from arraignment to jury verdict and a plenitude of motions and other matters in-between,” Merchan wrote.


He called sentencing “one of the most critical and difficult decisions a trial court judge faces — the sentencing of a defendant found guilty of crimes by a unanimous jury of his peers.”

As a result of the date change, Trump will probably face that moment either as a just-defeated candidate or as president-elect.
(WaPo)

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Igotjelly · 06/09/2024 19:19

Spandauer · 06/09/2024 19:17

As expected Trump’s N.Y. hush money sentencing delayed until after Nov. election.

Prosecutors did not object to a request from Trump’s attorneys to delay the sentencing, which had been scheduled for Sept. 18.


New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan changed the date to Nov. 26, noting the extraordinary nature and timing of the first-ever sentencing of a former U.S. president — a defendant who, in this case, in again running for the highest office in the land.


“This matter is one that stands alone, in a unique place in this Nation’s history, and this Court has presided over it since its inception — from arraignment to jury verdict and a plenitude of motions and other matters in-between,” Merchan wrote.


He called sentencing “one of the most critical and difficult decisions a trial court judge faces — the sentencing of a defendant found guilty of crimes by a unanimous jury of his peers.”

As a result of the date change, Trump will probably face that moment either as a just-defeated candidate or as president-elect.
(WaPo)

Ooh I hope he’s a newly defeated candidate and feels shit!

BruceAndNosh · 06/09/2024 19:22

What is so annoying is how Trump uses and abuses the legal system yet it trips over itself to be Fair

Spandauer · 06/09/2024 19:25

Going back to Trump's latest word salad garbage and use of stock phrases - an interesting look at why/how he speaks like that. (Dementia excepted)
wapo.st/3ZxCJLt

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Spandauer · 06/09/2024 19:56

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 06/09/2024 17:10

Are they allowed earphones for the debate? He might actually do better without them, I mean if he were not trying to do what they suggest and just blethering in his usual way.

I don't think so. According to the debate details here:
https://wapo.st/3Mx75pp
They will not be allowed to bring notes or props. The nominees will be given a pen, paper and a bottle of water.

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BruceAndNosh · 06/09/2024 20:27

Spandauer · 06/09/2024 19:25

Going back to Trump's latest word salad garbage and use of stock phrases - an interesting look at why/how he speaks like that. (Dementia excepted)
wapo.st/3ZxCJLt

Great article, thanks.

I do think there is a bit of the salesmans patter as described but also a significant mental decline at play.
My mother had alzheimers disease and there were two ways it was evident in the early stages. One was the totally believable complete fabrication - she often used to talk in great detail about the seaside cottage she and my father owned. Utterly charming but it never existed. To a stranger - totally believeable except none of her family had ever been there.
A bit like Trumps Michigan Man of the Year award

The other was stuff that was accurate and true but she'd left out a vital piece of info so it all sounded bonkers. She would jump from subject to subject with no logic but I knew from experience that there was a valid connection that she left out

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 06/09/2024 20:42

BruceAndNosh
stuff that was accurate and true but she'd left out a vital piece of info so it all sounded bonkers. She would jump from subject to subject with no logic but I knew from experience that there was a valid connection that she left out

This sounds like a fairly standard three-sided conversation if my mother and two of my aunts got together and held a gabfest. They all talked at once and they all leaped from point to point like mountain goats from rock to rock, but it became apparent afterwards that first, each could tell you what the other two had been talking about, and second, even if things seemed disconnected there was always a valid link.

I do it too. I once had a tape recorder on by accident when I was talking with one of my friends, and about a year later we came across that recording and played it back; without the facial expressions and the hand gestures it was very difficult to decipher what had been going on, because we both had grasshopper minds (and both missed out the essential words "that reminds me") and did a lot of referencing to previous conversations and to texts from school, the words of popsongs, and stuff from TV.

Maybe your mother just assumed that people who knew her well would know what she meant. As did my sainted mama , sharp as a pin to the day of her death apart from suddenly losing nouns, all her life, which led to the immortal phrase, "Pass me the thingummy, could you? Off the wotsit. Oh, you know, over there with the other ones." (So I passed her the right-sized wooden spoon out of the jug on the dresser...)

AcrossthePond55 · 07/09/2024 00:24

Well, if this is what Trump is doing in his most recent word salads, I'd say he must be practicing for the debate. And doing it rather well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

On the other hand, maybe he's just an idiot.

Gish gallop - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

DuncinToffee · 07/09/2024 09:30

Both Liz and Dick Cheney are saying they will vote for Harris

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/09/2024 12:20

Liz has actively endorsed her, I think, and Dick hasn't yet gone quite that far, just said loudly and publicly that Trump is the individual who poses the greatest threat to the American republic in the 248 years of the nation's history.

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