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Have any conspiracy theories ever been proven true?

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Newsenmum · 24/07/2024 22:46

Does anyone know if any past ones have? What have some past ones been? I only know the more recent ones

also quite fancied a CT thread 😳

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timenowplease · 25/07/2024 12:55

@x2boys That's an assumption you're making. Based on propaganda pumped out relentlessly by mainstream media.

The facts of what happened that day are a different matter.

slantedroof · 25/07/2024 12:58

A lot of the things mentioned here, the ones that I have heard of anyway, were never really conspiracy theories.

There is a difference between a conspiracy theory and a rumour and something that is unproven.

GettingStuffed · 25/07/2024 13:31

I was very ill in late 2018 , I had a very high temperature and aches all over and totally lost my sense of smell. Convinced it was COVID.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 25/07/2024 13:53

x2boys · 25/07/2024 12:48

Well the insurrection wasn't great was it ,?

And he says he knows what he can do this time and intends to make full use of his powers.

Pablova · 25/07/2024 14:07

KnittingKnewbie · 25/07/2024 08:37

Further to this - covid was announced to have reached Ireland in Feb or March 2020 and we shut the country down just before St Patrick's Day so around 14th March (can't remember specifically)
But in the previous winter Nov/Dec a mysterious viral illness went around and so many people were sick. The local schools had 30-50% of children out and my friends in other parts of the country said the same.

This was definitely covid as the symptoms were the same and it wasn't announced as flu yet it was months before covid "officially" arrived

I'm assuming the same mystery illness circulated in the UK

But that’s not really a conspiracy theory. In winter 2019 loads were very unwell with an unknown virus is true, but at the time health officials didn’t know what it was. By early 2020 they could put a name to it.

Tmpnmc86 · 25/07/2024 14:31

Pablova · 25/07/2024 14:07

But that’s not really a conspiracy theory. In winter 2019 loads were very unwell with an unknown virus is true, but at the time health officials didn’t know what it was. By early 2020 they could put a name to it.

But did they use this knowledge in their data modelling for mortality rates?..... And I remember all the talk of patient zero and the reporting of cases that were initially in single numbers.

Pablova · 25/07/2024 14:51

Tmpnmc86 · 25/07/2024 14:31

But did they use this knowledge in their data modelling for mortality rates?..... And I remember all the talk of patient zero and the reporting of cases that were initially in single numbers.

What’s any of that got to do with a conspiracy theory ?

MsJinks · 25/07/2024 14:52

Pablova · 25/07/2024 14:07

But that’s not really a conspiracy theory. In winter 2019 loads were very unwell with an unknown virus is true, but at the time health officials didn’t know what it was. By early 2020 they could put a name to it.

I’m not sure either that it counts as a CT but I have been told very clearly (at investigations under rheumatologist) that I wouldn’t have had covid in early 20 neither did my relative in Jan 20 as it just wasn’t here. It has often puzzled me how virus could possibly be contained in a pretty global world for a few months. Caveat - maybe it’s accepted now that it travelled earlier but I don’t know.
I have recalled since posting that I took myself to dr in case a weird rash was chickenpox or other contagious thing (for non spreading purposes) and ended up at the hospital as it was ‘non blanching’ but no one found what it was - that’s ok - but they were very, very interested in my respiratory system and if I’d travelled or mixed with travellers from Middle/Far East - in fact asked that several times - but this was November 19 and I think there are SARs and other things perhaps. Anyway nothing was concluded and a fine waste of a day 🤷🏼‍♀️

Pablova · 25/07/2024 15:06

MsJinks · 25/07/2024 14:52

I’m not sure either that it counts as a CT but I have been told very clearly (at investigations under rheumatologist) that I wouldn’t have had covid in early 20 neither did my relative in Jan 20 as it just wasn’t here. It has often puzzled me how virus could possibly be contained in a pretty global world for a few months. Caveat - maybe it’s accepted now that it travelled earlier but I don’t know.
I have recalled since posting that I took myself to dr in case a weird rash was chickenpox or other contagious thing (for non spreading purposes) and ended up at the hospital as it was ‘non blanching’ but no one found what it was - that’s ok - but they were very, very interested in my respiratory system and if I’d travelled or mixed with travellers from Middle/Far East - in fact asked that several times - but this was November 19 and I think there are SARs and other things perhaps. Anyway nothing was concluded and a fine waste of a day 🤷🏼‍♀️

I think it is widely accepted amongst health officials it most likely was in circulation in 2019 but at the time they had no idea what it was.

A friend of mine returned from China in December 2019 and a week later was in hospital very unwell. At the time he was told it was a flu like virus but not a stain they could identify. Maybe covid, maybe SAR, who knows they had no way to identify what it was at that time.

Coronavirus covers a number of viruses eg SARS, MERS, not just Covid 19. Sure it’s right there in the name - as the first known case was discovered and therefore named in December 2019 but that’s not to say it was in not in circulation prior to that,

KnittingKnewbie · 25/07/2024 16:04

Pablova · 25/07/2024 14:07

But that’s not really a conspiracy theory. In winter 2019 loads were very unwell with an unknown virus is true, but at the time health officials didn’t know what it was. By early 2020 they could put a name to it.

The government didn't say "oh don't worry, it's been around for 4 months and everyone is pretty much ok" they said "this is going to kill massive numbers of people, we need to lock down the country, forget about mental health provision, education, domestic violence, speech and language therapy, cancer screening etc. Oh and we're going to need lots of masks so I'm going to give my mate the billion dollar contract. This is something new we've never seen before, you're all going to die if we don't jeopardize the entire economy"

They took full advantage of the fear the MM engendered to profit financially and screwed vulnerable groups

Though I didn't mean to go down this road, the handling of covid is going to be a future CT that turned out to be true

Lowerechelons · 25/07/2024 16:06

The idea that Iraq didn't have WMD was treated as a conspiracy theory initially

Lilifer · 25/07/2024 16:26

"The government didn't say "oh don't worry, it's been around for 4 months and everyone is pretty much ok" they said "this is going to kill massive numbers of people, we need to lock down the country, forget about mental health provision, education, domestic violence, speech and language therapy, cancer screening etc. Oh and we're going to need lots of masks so I'm going to give my mate the billion dollar contract. This is something new we've never seen before, you're all going to die if we don't jeopardize the entire economy"

They took full advantage of the fear the MM engendered to profit financially and screwed vulnerable groups "

THIS ⬆️👏🏻

Sisterdeloris · 25/07/2024 16:29

Covid did kill massive numbers of people in the early days though.

x2boys · 25/07/2024 16:53

KnittingKnewbie · 25/07/2024 16:04

The government didn't say "oh don't worry, it's been around for 4 months and everyone is pretty much ok" they said "this is going to kill massive numbers of people, we need to lock down the country, forget about mental health provision, education, domestic violence, speech and language therapy, cancer screening etc. Oh and we're going to need lots of masks so I'm going to give my mate the billion dollar contract. This is something new we've never seen before, you're all going to die if we don't jeopardize the entire economy"

They took full advantage of the fear the MM engendered to profit financially and screwed vulnerable groups

Though I didn't mean to go down this road, the handling of covid is going to be a future CT that turned out to be true

Edited

The government didn't want to lock down at first they were pressured into it and the virus did kill a lot of people in the beginning .
We can argue all day long about the mistakes that were made and wether lockdown should have been as long as it was etc lockdown was never about saving individual lives it was about not over whelming the NHS
It takes a while for numbers of people wit a virus to build up into pandemic numbers
Maybe it was circulating in Decembse 2019 in small numbers in the UK
I remember the terifying scenes coming out of Italy.and being told the UK was two weeks behind them.

Sisterdeloris · 25/07/2024 16:56

Have we had the moon landings yet?!

LondonLass61 · 25/07/2024 16:59

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 24/07/2024 23:16

Shadowbanning on SM by tech moguls- true

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Blimey - just looked that up and I didn't know it was a thing!

Garlickest · 25/07/2024 17:43

MsJinks · 25/07/2024 14:52

I’m not sure either that it counts as a CT but I have been told very clearly (at investigations under rheumatologist) that I wouldn’t have had covid in early 20 neither did my relative in Jan 20 as it just wasn’t here. It has often puzzled me how virus could possibly be contained in a pretty global world for a few months. Caveat - maybe it’s accepted now that it travelled earlier but I don’t know.
I have recalled since posting that I took myself to dr in case a weird rash was chickenpox or other contagious thing (for non spreading purposes) and ended up at the hospital as it was ‘non blanching’ but no one found what it was - that’s ok - but they were very, very interested in my respiratory system and if I’d travelled or mixed with travellers from Middle/Far East - in fact asked that several times - but this was November 19 and I think there are SARs and other things perhaps. Anyway nothing was concluded and a fine waste of a day 🤷🏼‍♀️

The first papers on an unknown SARS virus were published internationally in very early January 2020 by Chinese medics. They'd identified it as highly transmissible and severe, so raised alerts with the WHO. Other nations did take note - which is why I was reading them (I am a sad git, but not so sad that I trawl Chinese medical journals).

Alerts such as this are often put on a back shelf by international bodies for the simple reason that a heck of a lot of odd diseases arise in China but stay in the country. Meanwhile, Chinese scientists were frantically tracking its spread, noting symptoms, testing preventative measures and sequencing the virus. Thanks to their work, this sad git made face masks out of vacuum cleaner bags and interfacing, stocked up on sanitiser and started veering round other people when I could.

The Chinese 'canaries in the coal mine' must be so pissed off to have been ignored, denigrated and dismissed by the world at large. There is a conspiracy theory here: I heard that the doctors who raised the first alerts were disappeared by the Chinese government. No idea whether there's any truth in that! I hope not.

If you read the BMJ article linked upthread, it says that one definition of a 'lab leak' is a researcher catching a disease from a poo sample they're studying. Researchers all over the world are collecting the droppings of bats and aquatic birds, today and every day, to help predict dangerous zoonotic diseases. Sometimes their samples may infect them. (Thanks to all the people doing this occasionally risky and mostly uncomfortable work!)

... and of course international public health bodies fund Chinese virology labs. Most zoonotic diseases originate in that country.

BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 17:57

timenowplease · 25/07/2024 12:55

@x2boys That's an assumption you're making. Based on propaganda pumped out relentlessly by mainstream media.

The facts of what happened that day are a different matter.

I watched it. Live. Nothing pumped out by mainstream media. Live footage.

It was bad.

OnAndOnAndonAgain · 25/07/2024 18:25

KnittingKnewbie · 25/07/2024 08:37

Further to this - covid was announced to have reached Ireland in Feb or March 2020 and we shut the country down just before St Patrick's Day so around 14th March (can't remember specifically)
But in the previous winter Nov/Dec a mysterious viral illness went around and so many people were sick. The local schools had 30-50% of children out and my friends in other parts of the country said the same.

This was definitely covid as the symptoms were the same and it wasn't announced as flu yet it was months before covid "officially" arrived

I'm assuming the same mystery illness circulated in the UK

Yeah, my ex lives in Ireland and ended up in hospital in the December after getting it

timenowplease · 25/07/2024 19:02

BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 17:57

I watched it. Live. Nothing pumped out by mainstream media. Live footage.

It was bad.

You watched it live where exactly?

AlecTrevelyan006 · 25/07/2024 19:14

sashh · 25/07/2024 09:38

It's a theory about a conspiracy. So a theory about some phenomena has resulted from a conspiracy.

So we are having a wet summer so far - that's the phenomena. If I were to say it is a Labour government policy or caused by druids at stonehenge than that would be a conspiracy theory.

It's not just that - the 'conspiracy' part in this example would be the Labour government covering up the fact that one of their policies was responsible for the wet summer.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 25/07/2024 19:27

as a slight aside to Covid posts - the first official death in the UK of Covid 19 is recorded as a woman in her 70s who passed away on 6 March 2020.

However, Andy Gill (guitarist with post punk band Gang of Four) died aged 64 in London on 1 February of 'multi-organ failure pneumonia'. The band has toured Asia in November and December 2019, including gigs in China. Gill's wife subsequently wrote that she believes he was an early victim of Covid.

BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 19:47

timenowplease · 25/07/2024 19:02

You watched it live where exactly?

On CNN on my TV at home. I could not believe what was unfolding.

timenowplease · 25/07/2024 20:11

BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 19:47

On CNN on my TV at home. I could not believe what was unfolding.

CNN is mainstream media.

Your second sentence is absolutely spot on though. Did it never occur to you to question what you were seeing? To trust your gut instinct?

Nanaof1 · 25/07/2024 20:13

KnittingKnewbie · 25/07/2024 08:37

Further to this - covid was announced to have reached Ireland in Feb or March 2020 and we shut the country down just before St Patrick's Day so around 14th March (can't remember specifically)
But in the previous winter Nov/Dec a mysterious viral illness went around and so many people were sick. The local schools had 30-50% of children out and my friends in other parts of the country said the same.

This was definitely covid as the symptoms were the same and it wasn't announced as flu yet it was months before covid "officially" arrived

I'm assuming the same mystery illness circulated in the UK

It went around here too. My BF's SIL was hospitalized in late Nov-early Dec. and was very, very ill. He was in ICU for several days before he turned a corner. Guess where he had just come home from? He was tested for many flu variants and all were negative, along with every other test.

I think you are totally correct in your timeline. thumbs up