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Have any conspiracy theories ever been proven true?

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Newsenmum · 24/07/2024 22:46

Does anyone know if any past ones have? What have some past ones been? I only know the more recent ones

also quite fancied a CT thread 😳

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BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 20:35

timenowplease · 25/07/2024 20:11

CNN is mainstream media.

Your second sentence is absolutely spot on though. Did it never occur to you to question what you were seeing? To trust your gut instinct?

It was live TV. I believe this to be a pointless discussion between us.

labamba007 · 25/07/2024 20:37

Nousernamesleftatall · 25/07/2024 09:06

Weapons of mass destruction.
Fluroide in water is bad for you.
The CIA killed JFK.
Covid was man made and funded by the US.

Funded by the US? I haven't heard that one!

timenowplease · 25/07/2024 20:44

BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 20:35

It was live TV. I believe this to be a pointless discussion between us.

That's a shame. All I'm asking you to do is engage your critical thinking skills.
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BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 20:46

timenowplease · 25/07/2024 20:44

That's a shame. All I'm asking you to do is engage your critical thinking skills.
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Try it on someone else perhaps. Perhaps you will get somewhere with them.

I know what I saw. On various TV channels, And you can conspiracy theory all you like, but we will not meet in agreement, so there is no point in back and forth on this. Good luck.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 25/07/2024 21:03

The thing with vaccines is that no one has ever said any of them are safe. Every one has potential side effects. Some people getting the disease will have no symptoms at all and some people having the vaccine will have very bad reactions. But en masse they case way fewer problems than not being vaccinated and most people getting the disease.

Very sorry to everyone who has been affected by the vaccine, especially as you have no way of knowing what would have happened if you weren't vaccinated and got infected instead. I would still rather have a vaccine than see that many people die again.

I always assumed that governments denied the lab link to stop people panicking about what future things could be leaked.

timenowplease · 25/07/2024 21:06

BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 20:46

Try it on someone else perhaps. Perhaps you will get somewhere with them.

I know what I saw. On various TV channels, And you can conspiracy theory all you like, but we will not meet in agreement, so there is no point in back and forth on this. Good luck.

Excuse me. You were the one who engaged me, not the other way round. My post wasn't even to you.

You then said you didn't watch anything pumped out on mainstream media despite that fact that you did indeed watch it pumped out on mainstream media.

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BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 21:10

Whatever 🤷‍♀️

timenowplease · 25/07/2024 21:13

BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 21:10

Whatever 🤷‍♀️

Exactly. We finally find some common ground.

Realduchymarmalade · 25/07/2024 21:17

Covid jab causes heart problems, I was personally called a conspiracy theorist over that one. It is patently true.

LiterallyOnFire · 25/07/2024 21:40

Realduchymarmalade · 25/07/2024 21:17

Covid jab causes heart problems, I was personally called a conspiracy theorist over that one. It is patently true.

Why the vaccine and not covid itself though? I can't see how you'd know.

MsJinks · 25/07/2024 21:40

Garlickest · 25/07/2024 17:43

The first papers on an unknown SARS virus were published internationally in very early January 2020 by Chinese medics. They'd identified it as highly transmissible and severe, so raised alerts with the WHO. Other nations did take note - which is why I was reading them (I am a sad git, but not so sad that I trawl Chinese medical journals).

Alerts such as this are often put on a back shelf by international bodies for the simple reason that a heck of a lot of odd diseases arise in China but stay in the country. Meanwhile, Chinese scientists were frantically tracking its spread, noting symptoms, testing preventative measures and sequencing the virus. Thanks to their work, this sad git made face masks out of vacuum cleaner bags and interfacing, stocked up on sanitiser and started veering round other people when I could.

The Chinese 'canaries in the coal mine' must be so pissed off to have been ignored, denigrated and dismissed by the world at large. There is a conspiracy theory here: I heard that the doctors who raised the first alerts were disappeared by the Chinese government. No idea whether there's any truth in that! I hope not.

If you read the BMJ article linked upthread, it says that one definition of a 'lab leak' is a researcher catching a disease from a poo sample they're studying. Researchers all over the world are collecting the droppings of bats and aquatic birds, today and every day, to help predict dangerous zoonotic diseases. Sometimes their samples may infect them. (Thanks to all the people doing this occasionally risky and mostly uncomfortable work!)

... and of course international public health bodies fund Chinese virology labs. Most zoonotic diseases originate in that country.

Great information- thank you. I don’t think things through properly, but now seems obvious that some diseases can be contained to a country in certain circumstances- how I heard/understood it really was that it seemed that a virus was just hanging around for a few months in biggish towns/areas before someone travelled with it, which at first sight seems it would always be implausible, but actually isn’t. A little knowledge to me can be 🤦🏻‍♀️
Actually, your prompt recalls that it was said a scientist (or more) had been disappeared for telling the world - it all sort of went away though, including the ‘disappearances’, after the initial big palaver over how it happened and being possibly angry with China. I’m sure it’s been/being looked at on a review type level, but no one major seems interested, and don’t hear talk about it generally either.
We were never told about these jobs in career discussions at school! Bless those researchers - so many heroes without capes we never see recognised.

CopperNanoTubes · 25/07/2024 21:42

I’m always astounded that more people aren’t distrusting large corporations.

Look at cases like PG&E (Erin Brokovitch), Teflon (Dark Waters film), Dopesick and Painkiller (OxyContin).

There are other scandals like this that will come out, only there are a lot of wealthy people invested in keeping them down. Take the covid vaccine for example, so many well respected doctors have spoken out, have conducted their own research, but have ended up being ridiculed and discredited for it. Tbh it’s the behaviour towards them, the shut down of any sort of discussion that was seen here and all over the internet and irl, that has me more convinced that these companies have something to hide. We’ve seen it before, but too many are too blinkered to allow themselves to think outside the box.

I absolutely believe that in the coming decades there will be many more cases coming to light. Maybe then we’ll learn from it and question the party line a little more.

Spornerq · 25/07/2024 21:46

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 24/07/2024 23:24

It’s where if you have an opinion that they don’t agree with, they deliberately tweak your account so you get no views, your posts disappear off the feeds, no one can follow you, and if someone searches for you, you don’t come up.

But you are not officially banned, your account is still active. As far as you know no one cares what you say.

This happened to me, I had posted something on my Instagram stories (politics related) and that story had tens less views than the stories I’d posted before and after it

Grandmasswagbag · 25/07/2024 21:58

There are loads of lesser known ones I suppose. About medical or chemical related industry. For years Drs in the USA were happy to prescribe strong opiates for minor ailments whilst telling their patients they were non addictive. I'd say that was a conspiracy. I also listened to a podcast recently with Michael Sheen about a man who was trying to expose the dangers of PCB chemicals. They did some testing for the podcast and found they are basically everywhere in much higher numbers than are safe. Im sure things like this are responsible for many cancers. There's also the illegal dumping of waste everywhere and apparently cancer clusters around these sites but no one will ever look into properly because it would be too big a can of worms.

Aryahpuff · 25/07/2024 22:37

AShortName · 24/07/2024 23:40

The Covid vaccine is linked to heart problems.

It’s a side effect not a conspiracy theory.

Barbadossunset · 25/07/2024 23:50

This happened to me, I had posted something on my Instagram stories (politics related) and that story had tens less views than the stories I’d posted before and after it.

Spornerq was it a right wing or left wing opinion?

Garlickest · 26/07/2024 01:37

Twitter shadowbanned me years ago for my terfiness. Although X says it no longer does this, the effect's ongoing because I still don't show up in people's feeds. After years of my tweets being invisible, the algorithm assumes nobody's interested. I just don't bother any more unless I want to contact a specific person. Frustrating.

ilovemoney · 26/07/2024 04:22

The conspiracy theory that Biden was unfit for office and flailing due to dementia as far back as during his first presidential campaign.
that there were coordinated Asian gangs targeting poor English white girls for sexual abuse and prostitution in English towns and cities on a massive scale and the police knew.
that gay autistic and vulnerable children were being medicalised and having body parts removed to help cure them courtesy of the nhs see Tavistock clinic

Stealthmodemama · 26/07/2024 05:50

BarHumbugs · 25/07/2024 09:18

I'm always amazed at the number of people who rush to put the blame on the Covid vaccine. What about Covid? We know that has the potential to damage every organ in our bodies. Or how about the rise in child poverty that has lead to the return of Victorian illnesses. Why do these people always point the finger at the vaccine? With absolutely no proof behind it! And ones that use their position as a medial professional to do it particularly piss me off. Your sister should know better. (Sorry, your sister's friend. )

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@LiterallyOnFire and @BarHumbugs

It amazes me the number of people who don't want to accept that the vaccine does cause problems ..

AstraZeneca wish you to believe they have withdrawn the vaccine due to lack of demand.. but there is research out there to suggest there are nasty side effects .. my conspiracy is that AZ are paying people off and hiding the true impact of their vaccine.

The fact there are so many people out there with long COVID that have no hope, yet the overlap between long COVID and B12 deficiency is blatant is rarely pointed out. The fact B12 is a 'non-profitable drug' .. is high up there as to why it is not used on the NHS - yet 'profit making big pharma drugs' are used all the time.. (even though these often solve one issue by causing another and a vitamin like B12 is cheap with no side effects' there are some fat cats making lots of money... at the expense of public health).

Covid-19: Two rare vaccine side effects detected in large global study

The largest vaccine safety study to date has identified two new, but very rare, side effects associated with covid-19 vaccines—transverse myelitis and acute disseminated encephalomyelitis. The Global Vaccine Data Network cohort study included 99 milli...

https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488

BarHumbugs · 26/07/2024 06:38

Stealthmodemama · 26/07/2024 05:50

@LiterallyOnFire and @BarHumbugs

It amazes me the number of people who don't want to accept that the vaccine does cause problems ..

AstraZeneca wish you to believe they have withdrawn the vaccine due to lack of demand.. but there is research out there to suggest there are nasty side effects .. my conspiracy is that AZ are paying people off and hiding the true impact of their vaccine.

The fact there are so many people out there with long COVID that have no hope, yet the overlap between long COVID and B12 deficiency is blatant is rarely pointed out. The fact B12 is a 'non-profitable drug' .. is high up there as to why it is not used on the NHS - yet 'profit making big pharma drugs' are used all the time.. (even though these often solve one issue by causing another and a vitamin like B12 is cheap with no side effects' there are some fat cats making lots of money... at the expense of public health).

The AstraZeneca vaccine did have a massive drop in demand due to the known blood clot issue. Millions of people had that vaccine without any problems, a tiny percentage died which was truly awful but nothing is totally risk free. The percentage of people who died of fatal blood clots from an active Covid infection is far higher, the same with myocarditis.

B12 isn't a drug and the NHS is usually (that last crooked lot and their profiteering aside) all about saving money so if that is true I'd think they would just tell Long Covid sufferers to take some supplements and get back to work! In reality the B12 deficiency is only a part of the problem and supplements will not cure LC, it will help with the related issue. Conspiracy theorists do like to simplify things though and pretend there is an easy answer, water powered car anyone?

BarHumbugs · 26/07/2024 06:42

Stealthmodemama · 26/07/2024 05:50

@LiterallyOnFire and @BarHumbugs

It amazes me the number of people who don't want to accept that the vaccine does cause problems ..

AstraZeneca wish you to believe they have withdrawn the vaccine due to lack of demand.. but there is research out there to suggest there are nasty side effects .. my conspiracy is that AZ are paying people off and hiding the true impact of their vaccine.

The fact there are so many people out there with long COVID that have no hope, yet the overlap between long COVID and B12 deficiency is blatant is rarely pointed out. The fact B12 is a 'non-profitable drug' .. is high up there as to why it is not used on the NHS - yet 'profit making big pharma drugs' are used all the time.. (even though these often solve one issue by causing another and a vitamin like B12 is cheap with no side effects' there are some fat cats making lots of money... at the expense of public health).

And did you notice the title of the study you shared? The word 'rare'. We are not pretending there are zero side effects from vaccine, we are saying they are rare. Extremely rare. And none of them have been found to cause cancer but viruses are known to cause cancer.

LadyChilli · 26/07/2024 06:57

KnittingKnewbie · 25/07/2024 08:37

Further to this - covid was announced to have reached Ireland in Feb or March 2020 and we shut the country down just before St Patrick's Day so around 14th March (can't remember specifically)
But in the previous winter Nov/Dec a mysterious viral illness went around and so many people were sick. The local schools had 30-50% of children out and my friends in other parts of the country said the same.

This was definitely covid as the symptoms were the same and it wasn't announced as flu yet it was months before covid "officially" arrived

I'm assuming the same mystery illness circulated in the UK

It did here. More than half of my dcs school were off sick at one point, pupils and teachers. I thought about it in the lock down days but assumed it hadn't been covid because it hit children just as hard as adults. I wonder if it might have been a different mutation? Strangely enough 18 months later when covid went through my entire family, of my immediate family members the only one of nine of us not to get it at the same time was ds, who did have the mystery 2019 virus.

Izzynohopanda · 26/07/2024 07:30

Covid hit hard in 2020, but is part of the coronavirus group of infections, so people may have git corona previously. Just a different strain.

Nanaof1 · 26/07/2024 08:44

BustingBaoBun · 25/07/2024 17:57

I watched it. Live. Nothing pumped out by mainstream media. Live footage.

It was bad.

And that's how I felt watching the live coverage of the "Summer of Love". It wasn't loving, it wasn't peaceful, and it sure wasn't cheap.