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Have any conspiracy theories ever been proven true?

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Newsenmum · 24/07/2024 22:46

Does anyone know if any past ones have? What have some past ones been? I only know the more recent ones

also quite fancied a CT thread 😳

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Garlickest · 27/07/2024 21:41

Firealarm1414 · 27/07/2024 21:29

Gain of function is basically engineering a virus in order to make it as infectious and dangerous as possible.

In virology, gain-of-function research is usually employed with the intention of better understanding current and future pandemics.[4] In vaccine development, gain-of-function research is conducted in the hope of gaining a head start on a virus and being able to develop a vaccine or therapeutic before it emerges.

The term "gain of function" is sometimes applied more narrowly to refer to "research which could enable a pandemic-potential pathogen to replicate more quickly or cause more harm in humans or other closely-related mammals."

There are ethical questions around GoF research, and various authorities apply checks and balances. It is, however, very useful in understanding how altered function affects the development of a virus - avian flu, for instance, becomes less lethal after acquiring the ability to infect mammals.

It's mainly used to predict possible pandemics (animal as well as human) and also to develop vaccines against the possible pathogens.

Gain-of-function research - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gain-of-function_research#cite_note-Selgelid_2016-4

Alltheyearround · 27/07/2024 21:43

BarHumbugs · 27/07/2024 17:29

"SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can damage the lungs, heart, brain, kidneys, and blood vessels. Inflammation was first thought to be the main source of this damage. As it became clear that parts of the virus bind to proteins in the mitochondria — the parts of the cell that produce most cellular energy — researchers realized that compromised mitochondria may also play a role in organ damage from SARS-CoV-2 infection.
In a study supported by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), researchers found that SARS-CoV-2 can cause lasting damage to the energy production of mitochondria in many organs of the body."

The Long-Term Effects of SARS-CoV-2 on Organs and Energy | NIH COVID-19 Research

Why mRNA vaccines aren't gene therapies - Genomics Education Programme (hee.nhs.uk)

It has long been a theory that CFS is caused by problems with mitochondria and Long Covid can have similar symptoms so that is interesting. I hope that answers and treatments are found.

AShortName · 27/07/2024 21:45

Aryahpuff · 25/07/2024 22:37

It’s a side effect not a conspiracy theory.

Yes, but at the time, these side effects were dismissed and people talking about them were dismissed as conspiracy theorists. Now it’s been proven to be true and the ‘conspiracy theorists' were right, it’s called a side effect. Yet, you can’t talk about it because the concern is minimised.

Sunhatweather · 27/07/2024 21:58

Haven’t read all the thread, but I think that there has been a cover up of UFOs and life on other planets. It could even be interdimensional travel - I don’t have a clue, but I just don’t think we’re the only ones in this massive universe or time dimensions.
I’m fascinated by the photos coming through from mars - independent analysis is quite convincing that there once were civilisations (of some sort) on other planets in the past.
Also, I do feel that there are many natural remedies out there that may work just as well as pharmaceuticals, but this knowledge isn’t circulated or researched as well as it should be due to being less profitable eg. Micro dosing.

Garlickest · 27/07/2024 22:06

AShortName · 27/07/2024 21:45

Yes, but at the time, these side effects were dismissed and people talking about them were dismissed as conspiracy theorists. Now it’s been proven to be true and the ‘conspiracy theorists' were right, it’s called a side effect. Yet, you can’t talk about it because the concern is minimised.

Scientists: Unfortunately, no effective medicine is 100% safe. There are always people with allergies, health conditions or genetic vulnerabilities who may react badly to a given medication. The question is: At population scale, is the effective medication better for people than the disease?

Nervous people: But can you guarantee it won't harm me?

Scientists: See above. At present we don't recommend this medication to patients who are immunocompromised.

Nervous people (later): But you said it was perfectly safe!

Ask yourselves this, people: Would you refuse chemotherapy for cancer, knowing the havoc it wreaks in the body? Do you refuse aspirin because some people have a severe allergy to it? Do you avoid all foods that can cause anaphylaxis in susceptible people?

InsensibleMe · 27/07/2024 22:19

Welshdavee · 26/07/2024 23:52

The MSM told you this to instill fear so you would get the vaccine.

‘Fraid not. I worked in the sector and saw the evidence with my own eyes.

InsensibleMe · 27/07/2024 22:22

Sunhatweather · 27/07/2024 21:58

Haven’t read all the thread, but I think that there has been a cover up of UFOs and life on other planets. It could even be interdimensional travel - I don’t have a clue, but I just don’t think we’re the only ones in this massive universe or time dimensions.
I’m fascinated by the photos coming through from mars - independent analysis is quite convincing that there once were civilisations (of some sort) on other planets in the past.
Also, I do feel that there are many natural remedies out there that may work just as well as pharmaceuticals, but this knowledge isn’t circulated or researched as well as it should be due to being less profitable eg. Micro dosing.

The OP was asking if any conspiracy theories have been proven true. So we will just give a resounding ‘no’ to your slightly odd set of personal beliefs.

Alltheyearround · 27/07/2024 22:23

Operation Paperclip. Fascinating. A heck of a lot of senior Nazi's got away after WW2 aided and abetted by various groups/individuals. Looking at you here Catholic Church.

I've read all I ever want to read about Covid for now.

Can we get back to the Dyatlov Pass, Yetis, other conspiracies that were really true? (OK not sure Yetis qualify for that, as yet).

KnittingKnewbie · 27/07/2024 22:53

@Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot
What do you think happened at Dyatlov Pass? Covert weapons testing?

AShortName · 27/07/2024 23:27

Garlickest · 27/07/2024 22:06

Scientists: Unfortunately, no effective medicine is 100% safe. There are always people with allergies, health conditions or genetic vulnerabilities who may react badly to a given medication. The question is: At population scale, is the effective medication better for people than the disease?

Nervous people: But can you guarantee it won't harm me?

Scientists: See above. At present we don't recommend this medication to patients who are immunocompromised.

Nervous people (later): But you said it was perfectly safe!

Ask yourselves this, people: Would you refuse chemotherapy for cancer, knowing the havoc it wreaks in the body? Do you refuse aspirin because some people have a severe allergy to it? Do you avoid all foods that can cause anaphylaxis in susceptible people?

dr: this vaccine is harmless
patient: that’s not true, all medicines have side effects
dr: such a small likelihood. And the benefits out way any potential risk
patient: true, but that’s not what you said first. Why lie/ minimise?
dr: …

AShortName · 27/07/2024 23:30

Ask yourselves this, people: Would you refuse chemotherapy for cancer, knowing the havoc it wreaks in the body? Do you refuse aspirin because some people have a severe allergy to it? Do you avoid all foods that can cause anaphylaxis in susceptible people?

of course not, but the minimising (and sometimes lying) does nothing to help the general public trust. I have heard the 'flu vaccine be described as‘perfectly safe' more than once. It’s not that simple.

Welshdavee · 28/07/2024 00:32

InsensibleMe · 27/07/2024 22:19

‘Fraid not. I worked in the sector and saw the evidence with my own eyes.

What sector and what evidence was that?

sleepwouldbenice · 28/07/2024 00:55

www.phc.ox.ac.uk/news/new-study-shows-ivermectin-lacks-meaningful-benefits-in-covid-19-treatment

It's used against parasites for humans... Jesus

sleepwouldbenice · 28/07/2024 00:57

Are you aware Ivermectin is on the WHO's list of essential medicines and the guys who discovered it won the Nobel Prize? It is an extremely safe and effective drug and hundreds of millions of prescriptions are given out each year.

Prescribed for what exactly?

sleepwouldbenice · 28/07/2024 01:00

There's no difference between you and someone who tells people not to look at the Cass review because it's transphobic.

You still ignored the facts about your hero hey

Just link me in the peer reviewed evidence for its effectiveness against covid to... prove your point

Otherwise the grifter point seems rather accurate

MynameisML · 28/07/2024 02:21

Newsenmum · 24/07/2024 23:09

Does anyone think any current ones are close to being true?

-Madeleine McCann: not abducted

-9/11: not as reported

Others that were true:
-No weapons of mass destruction

MynameisML · 28/07/2024 02:23

@Sunhatweather US government confirmed the UFOs during the pandemic. Because of the timing it barely made the news.

sashh · 28/07/2024 05:00

BarHumbugs · 27/07/2024 09:29

Yes, you've missed something. "SARS-CoV-2 Infection–Associated Myocarditis
There was an increased risk of myocarditis in the 1 to 28 days after a SARS-CoV-2–positive test, which was higher if infection occurred before vaccination (IRR, 11.14 [95% CI, 8.64–14.36]) than in vaccinated individuals (IRR, 5.97 [95% CI, 4.54–7.87]). The risk of myocarditis associated with a SARS-CoV-2–positive test before vaccination was higher in people 40 years or older (IRR, 14.87 [95% CI, 10.98–20.14]) than individuals younger than 40 years (IRR, 5.25 [95% CI, 3.11–8.86]), but no significant difference was observed between risks in women (IRR, 14.23 [95% CI, 9.34–21.68]) and men (IRR, 9.71 [95% CI, 7.03–13.40), although the point estimate for women was higher than the equivalent for men. A similar pattern of risk of myocarditis was associated with a SARS-CoV-2–positive test occurring in vaccinated individuals; however, in this case, the increased risk was substantially lower and in particular was not observed for individuals younger than 40 years (IRR, 1.18 [95% CI, 0.56–2.48]) (Table 3)."

So basically if you get Covid you have an increased risk of myocarditis (something that happens with every virus which is why you should not exercise with a temperature).

If you have the vaccine there is an increased risk of myocarditis, but not as much risk as there is from Covid.

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 28/07/2024 07:01

This has so much potential to be a fun thread. Why on earth has it turned into a bloody covid argument? It would be good if those posters could take it elsewhere!

CopperNanoTubes · 28/07/2024 07:19

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 28/07/2024 07:01

This has so much potential to be a fun thread. Why on earth has it turned into a bloody covid argument? It would be good if those posters could take it elsewhere!

This is the first thread I’ve seen where these discussions have been allowed, which seems quite a big thing considering the numbers of threads removed for being anti vaxx , and the numbers of posters being belittled and insulted for suggesting the vaccine and actions of government were anything but safe and effective.

It’s quite refreshing to see.

timenowplease · 28/07/2024 07:42

sashh · 28/07/2024 05:00

So basically if you get Covid you have an increased risk of myocarditis (something that happens with every virus which is why you should not exercise with a temperature).

If you have the vaccine there is an increased risk of myocarditis, but not as much risk as there is from Covid.

FYI, This study is from the American Heart Association who are funded by all the vaccine manufacturers.

wastingtimeonhere · 28/07/2024 08:15

MynameisML · 28/07/2024 02:23

@Sunhatweather US government confirmed the UFOs during the pandemic. Because of the timing it barely made the news.

My colleague mentioned this, apparently 'they' will use projected images to fake an invasion to put massive restrictions in place again. Covid was the test to gauge reaction to mass fear. The information was there to prepare us for it.

InsensibleMe · 28/07/2024 08:25

Welshdavee · 28/07/2024 00:32

What sector and what evidence was that?

Medical sector, frontline and logistical; and incidence & morbidity of disease caused by Covid. Involved in planning for NPIs.
Next question?

scalt · 28/07/2024 08:52

wastingtimeonhere · 28/07/2024 08:15

My colleague mentioned this, apparently 'they' will use projected images to fake an invasion to put massive restrictions in place again. Covid was the test to gauge reaction to mass fear. The information was there to prepare us for it.

Even if there was no foul play at all about the origin of Covid (lab leak, deliberate or otherwise), I think it's very likely that once the UK government decided to lock down, they saw it as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to experiment with exactly how far they could push, bully, coerce and frighten the public, especially in the age of social media, which was not a tool available in (for example) the war. Again, this is why I thought it was vital to resist, lest the government drew the conclusion of "yep, the public are very gullible and easily frightened, we could do this again".

sashh · 28/07/2024 09:06

timenowplease · 28/07/2024 07:42

FYI, This study is from the American Heart Association who are funded by all the vaccine manufacturers.

https://www.heart.org/-/media/Files/Finance/Pharma-Funding-Disclosure-Fiscal202021-FINAL-4122.pdf?sc_lang=en

@FlatWhiteExtraHot point taken.

Back to fun things.

I've heard a few rumours about the Trump shooting.

https://www.heart.org/-/media/Files/Finance/Pharma-Funding-Disclosure-Fiscal202021-FINAL-4122.pdf?sc_lang=en

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