Have any conspiracy theories ever been proven true?

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Does anyone know if any past ones have? What have some past ones been? I only know the more recent ones

also quite fancied a CT thread 😳

Though the other thing to bear in mind about party gate was that most of the people there had already had COVID and maybe assumed they had a degree of immunity and were at low risk from mixing. *As had much of the public but they didn't have the luxury of being able to make those decisions for themselves.

Sorry, ignore this. I misunderstood and thought you were asking for proof of a link between the vaccine and myocarditis. Not firing on all cylinders this morning!

You don't agree with what? That we were constantly told the vaccines were safe and effective, which you denied?

What's the point in having the Queen? What's the point in the highly expensive "changing of the guard", "trooping the colour", state opening of Parliament, etc? Pomp and ceremony: one thing that this country is good at blowing money on.

Why am I suggesting the coffin was empty? Because so many things organised by the state are probably not as they seem. I think it's very possible that the Queen died quite some time before the media told us she did, and the government picked a suitable time to announce it, when things were relatively quiet, or when they needed a distraction. Suppose she had died in 2012: they wouldn't have wanted the period of national mourning to be when we were hosting the Olympics.

I too had a good laugh at people doing their "civic duty" of filing past the coffin. Two people who did this told me that they had something confiscated by security; what was it, I hear you ask? Wait for it... Hand sanitizer! 😆😆 Yes, the very stuff which Her Majesty's Government was ordering us to use in 2020. And speaking of "civic duty", I refused to watch Platty Joobs, the funeral, and the coronation, especially with the "pledging of allegiance", while it is possible for me to refuse to watch; I do think that one day, such things might be forcibly broadcast into our homes, or computer screens, as George Orwell imagined.

Correlation does not imply causation.

You have zero proof deaths would have been worse without lockdown and vaccines.

Do they...? Excess deaths are low in Romania and Bulgaria which had the lowest vaccination rates but Slovakia's are in line with the EU average and they had the third lowest vaccine uptake. They're very similar to Belgium's had the third highest uptake. I can't even see correlation here let along causation.

EU excess mortality continued to rise in April 2023 - Eurostat (europa.eu)
Europe: COVID-19 vaccination rate by country 2023 | Statista

You're right, his name is Angus. My bad. But the Nuffield hospital group seem to think he's medically qualified.

"Professor Angus Dalgleish studied medicine at University College London where he obtained an MBBS and a BSc in Anatomy. He is a Fellow of The Royal College of Physicians of the UK and Australia, Royal College of Pathologists and The Academy of Medical Scientists. After graduating and house jobs in London and Poole he spent a year in the flying doctor service in Queensland. He also trained in Internal Medicine and Oncology in Brisbane and Sydney.

Following an interest in how viruses caused cancer, he commenced an MD with Professor Robin Weiss, FRS at the Institute of Cancer Research and Royal Marsden Hospital. Following five years as a clinical scientist at the MRC’s clinical research centre in Northwick Park, he was appointed to the Foundation Chair in Oncology at St. George’s University of London in 1991. There his main interest has been the immunology of cancer and the development of immunotherapies to treat, in particular, melanoma.

He is a co-founder of Onyvax, a company set up in 1998 to make novel vaccines for common solid tumours, where he is currently Research Director.

He currently sits on eight editorial boards, is the author or co-author of peer reviewed scientific papers and over 70 chapters in medical books. He is the co-editor of five medical books. He has been on numerous grant committees and is currently on the European Commission Cancer Board."

Lockdown was initially effective at reducing deaths, but far more effective, in my opinion, would have been protecting the elderly/vulnerable eg. not pushing out covid infected patients into nursing homes, whilst allowing herd immunity to build in the general population. Leaving aside the debate of vaccine safety, they were notoriously ineffective at reducing spread or stopping infection, with a very short window of efficacy. Absolutely everyone I know who was vaccinated subsequently caught covid, often within weeks of getting jabbed.

Why wasn't it a great deal worse? Probably because this particular coronavirus had such a rapid mutation rate, quickly resulting in Omicron which produced lasting immunity in the population.

So something particular to Slovakia may be causing that anomaly. But surely you don't disagree that if Covid were the cause of the continuing excess death rate, then you'd expect to see the largest number of deaths in the countries with the lowest vaccination rates? If the vaccines work and prevent Covid, and Covid is responsible for these excess deaths, then it would be obvious in the data.

@disappointed101 im sorry to hear that. It’s heartbreaking isn’t it. He had AstraZeneca when it first came out and the risk of blood clots was proven from that, hence its withdrawal. Yes it might have only been 1 in 1000 but when that 1 in 1000 is someone you love it’s awful.

No, I'd expect to see the highest excess deaths in countries that have had the most active infections, doesn't matter how good a vaccine or uptake of that vaccine is if the virus has been running rampant through the population in the preceding months. There are other factors too: Age and health of the population; access to healthcare pre, during and post Covid; diet...

If the vaccine is causing the excess deaths, why are the third highest and thirst lowest uptake countries (Slovakia and Belgium) almost identical? What is the rational for reaching the conclusion you have? Do you have any data analysis on this you can share, or any studies?

If you scroll through Dr John Campbell's YouTube channel he has a lot of videos where he goes through various excess death statistics. He also talks about all the major studies to date on vaccine injury, and interviews medics who have concerns about it. There's a wealth of info on that channel, and he always gives links to the relevant research.

My conclusion is based on listening to him and medical doctors who are speaking up about the impact of the vaccine, looking at what research there is (it's not easy, given in many cases vaccine status is not available and Pfizer is refusing to release much of its research data). And personal experience.

If you think the vaccine isn't responsible for the ongoing excess death rates worldwide, what do you think is? Especially given that the UK data clearly differentiated between covid related deaths and non-covid in its excess death statistics. I've also had direct contact with people who've developed myocarditis immediately following vaccination, and had to be hospitalised.

I'm really concerned why we're accepting a 1 in 800 adverse event rate for the mRNA vaccines when we scrapped previous vaccines when the adverse event rate was far, far lower. (We got rid of the swine flu vaccine because a much smaller number of people developed narcolepsy, for instance.) Why are we forging ahead with plans to swap traditional vaccines for mRNA technology without thorough and open investigation of the excess deaths and what might be behind them? And why are we persisting with this technology when it was so provenly ineffective in preventing the spread of Covid/stopping people catching it? What do you think of that video from a previous poster where hospital doctors themselves were arguing with the health secretary, saying they were opposed to compulsory Covid vaccination because it was so ineffective?

Serious question for all those who think vaccines are linked to heart issues, why vaccines, not the effects/after-effects of Covid? Many young people and especially sports people were vaccine-adverse.

Not sure if this is a joke or if you are just super hard of thinking (like a lot of conspiracy theorist loons).

If the queen had died ‘some time’ before we were told she did, that would mean Liz Truss was secretly our PM for ‘some time’ before we were told she was. Because she was appointed as PM and the queen was literally photographed doing all the handshaking business literally hours before she died (48 hours-ish).

Covid, I think Covid is the reason. After every pandemic excess deaths remain high for several years as the saying 'whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger' is very far from the truth. Where illnesses are concerned, you are far weaker after them. Excess deaths remained high for 20 years after the Spanish Flu epidemics.

Covid can damage every organ in our bodies so the knock on all those active infections is going to be massive and last for a long time.

John Campbell is a grifter. He was a big proponent of Ivermectin during the pandemic so pharmacology obviously wasn't one of his strong suits in nursing school! He cherry picks data and spreads misinformation with the help of other grifters.

It was interesting how many activities were deemed to be disrespectful on the day of the funeral.
It was a gorgeous sunny day and yet so many family activities closed out of respect.
We went to a waterpark that was castigated on Facebook for still opening as I feel the same about the queen dying as I might any old lady that I don't know dying. Nice life, good innings. Nothing to do with me.

I do think that one day, such things might be forcibly broadcast into our homes, or computer screens, as George Orwell imagined.

Possibly but I don’t think it would be the royal family insisting on forcible broadcasts. More like a communist regime - which is more or less what happened in the Soviet Union. Young pioneers and their equivalents were forced to turn out for parades. There was only the state broadcaster though in East Germany most people could - and did - watch West German television.
Dresden was known as ‘Tal der Ahnungslosen’ , ‘the valley of the clueless’ as they couldn’t receive it.
Children were quizzed st school to check up if their families were watching forbidden channels.

As I understand it, Covid infection was largely a respiratory virus and stayed mainly in the airways and lungs.

The MRNA technology is a gene therapy, specifically designed to enter all cells as opposed to tradition vaccines that stay in the local area of the injection site.

When your immune system detects a foreign body, it destroys the infected cell. If every cell in your body is infected, you can see the problem. It causes massive amounts of inflammation.

"SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can damage the lungs, heart, brain, kidneys, and blood vessels. Inflammation was first thought to be the main source of this damage. As it became clear that parts of the virus bind to proteins in the mitochondria — the parts of the cell that produce most cellular energy — researchers realized that compromised mitochondria may also play a role in organ damage from SARS-CoV-2 infection.
In a study supported by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), researchers found that SARS-CoV-2 can cause lasting damage to the energy production of mitochondria in many organs of the body."

The Long-Term Effects of SARS-CoV-2 on Organs and Energy | NIH COVID-19 Research

Why mRNA vaccines aren't gene therapies - Genomics Education Programme (hee.nhs.uk)

LiterallyOnFire and @BarHumbugs

It amazes me the number of people who don't want to accept that the vaccine does cause problems ..

I'm completely agnostic on the issue @Stealthmodemama

I was just asking how you knew it was the vaccine and not the virus itself.

Just so you know, that first link is from the NIH, which funded the bat coronavirus gain of function research in the Wuhan lab. I don't think they're the most reliable source of information.

It is amazing that Donald Trump tried to blame the Chinese for a alleged leak from a US government lab...

Increased organ damage after COVID-19 - NIHR Evidence
Months after hospitalization for COVID-19, MRIs reveal multiorgan damage | Science | AAAS
59% of long Covid patients had organ damage a year later | UCL News - UCL – University College London

But also, that is why we have peer review, to ensure that the information is reliable no matter the source.

Everything I've read says the opposite is true, and excess deaths should be lower following a pandemic, as many of the old and vulnerable die during the pandemic who might naturally have died some years later. The Glasgow study I assume you're referring to concerned the repeated waves of influenza that continued after the main pandemic waves had waned. As I mentioned, the excess data for Britain is careful to segregate Covid-related deaths from non-Covid. It's largely non Covid excess deaths that have increased, including cancer and heart disease.

Again, if excess deaths were solely down to the after-effects of Covid, then you would expect to see a uniform pattern globally as nearly everyone has now been infected. But that isn't the case. Some countries seem to be experiencing no excess deaths at all. I seriously dioubt the Roumanian diet differs significantly from other countries to the point where that might account for the differences.

When you dismiss someone who has had a long career in health education, and who was initially pro vaccination, encouraging others to have it, as a 'grifter', you simply out yourself as an ideologue who uses reputation smearing to dismiss anyone who disagrees with you. Disappointing.

You can have all the peer review you want, but unfortunately he who pays the piper calls the tune.

You posted a link earlier from the American Heart Association with data showing myocarditis was more prevalent in the unvaccinated.

Here is a list of their donors..
2022-2023 American Heart Association Funding from Pharmaceutical and Biotech Companies and Device Manufacturers

All the vaccine manufacturers are there. Do you seriously think any study they conduct will be impartial?