Joe Biden is out - God bless him

[Mommybunny]

Put the country before himself - yes, finally, but he’s done it.

Please God let my country be ok.

Maybe it's a good thing that the old guard have been wrong footed. IMO they've been complacent for far too long. Allowing the Biden car crash to roll on without grasping the harm it was doing.

I wonder if Kamala has had a crappy four years being belittled, sidelined by them. If so it will have honed her skills.

I don't think Biden is senile, and I don't think he has been selfish waiting so long to drop out. Someone upthread said he would be fine doing the day to day job but all the polish for the speeches and tv appearances have been what has let him down.

I listened to the first part of her speech, and I thought Kamala did a nice job.

I'd love to know what any US mumsnetters thought about her.

I certainly think that any right minded American who does not want a Trump government should make sure they get out and vote for Kamala or whichever candidate they put forward.

4 more years of Trump would be a disaster.

i am pleased to see that Navy Pelosi has now endorsed KH.

Harris has already attacked Trump today on the basis of his age. I don’t think she’s embarked on a very wise course of action given how old Biden is and the recent howlers he’s committed.

But he is no longer standing! I think it's fine. Trump has also let himself down with his made up words and his continual lying.

Biden is irrelevant to the election now.

I think it's clever advice: She's put out that idea whilst the associated memory of Biden's waning mortality is still fresh. It will make some people go: Actually, do we want to risk that happening again?

I’d agree with you if Biden had stood down as president and allowed Harris a chance to step in and prove herself before the election.

Wow, the Harris campaign has received $50 Million in grassroots/small donor donations since yesterday! And Act Blue, a dem fund-raising organization, received $67 million in contributions on Sunday alone. Hopefully pro-dem voter turnout will be as huge in November.

I don’t think it’s a great move given that Harris was supporting Biden remaining in the race until the minute he quit. She will have been instrumental in the years long coverup.

Not entirely. He’s still president - he would need to step down and let Harris take over to be entirely irrelevant. And he is still presiding over $240m of campaign funds, which makes Harris the ideal candidate to take over the ticket - she’s the only one who can easily access the funds.

And she is the only one with easy access to the campaign funds - l think a lot of people will question whether that was the main reason for her endorsement.

One plausible theory is that the Dems don’t believe they can win therefore are putting Kamala in for the sacrifice rather than someone who would be viable in 2028.

It’s atrocious that they just appointed someone though. Normally the candidate is chosen by the people during the primary, not just whomever the last president picks.

Has Obama even agreed to this yet?

She has been VP for the past 4 years, so I don't think people will question that she is the next choice.

That’s not how this works though. Same reason Hillary ran instead of Biden in 2016.

DNC commits to "transparent and orderly process" to determine new nominee

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/21/dnc-biden-harris-2024#

The primaries are done, and there is no time to redo, but there is a chance that a contender will appear , so the nominee will finally be chosen at the Democratic Convention in August .
It really has nothing to do with Obama, and I read he won't endorse anybody as he feels he should not intervene

As a candidate for next time that's true, but he still stands as an example of absolutely terrible decision making by the party, and as *Rosscameasdoody * just said he's still President for now

I also agree that Harris's comments about Trump's age, while correct in themselves, are a reminder of just who she was backing until the very end.
But that's politics ... they'll spin on a sixpence and hope everyone forgets what went before, and such is the understandable desperation to see Trump fail that folk will forget - or at least claim to

No I am just responding to your comment about her being a candidate due to her access to the campaign funds. As VP she is an obvious choice, but of course there are others. Probably not brave enough to lose to trump though.

I think she backed Biden because she was his VP?

She publicly lied about his competence. I don’t think everyone will be forgiving about that, no matter the reason.

Marrying a rich abusive cheating prick is very far from playing a blinder. Staying married to a wannabe dictator is even worse.

Biden should step down as president. If he’s not fit to run for election then he’s not fit to serve. He’s determined to serve it out to the last, no matter the effect on party or country. Republicans are already saying that he’s the worst president they can remember and Harris has been with him every step of the way, so some - possibly much of the dirt will rub off.

Even more reason then, given her proximity to him, to have advocated invoking the 25th - unless she was relying on him hanging on this long as her best chance because it left the Dems with so little time to nominate anyone else?

In any other circumstances I'd mention loyalty, but I don't think anyone kids themselves there's much of that in politics unless appearing to be loyal confers an advantage

Do you mean Trump or Clinton?