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Biden has Covid

187 replies

Viviennemary · 17/07/2024 23:25

Just heard this on the news. They are making a big thing of it. I bet he will use this as an excuse to step down. Bit too convenient IMHO. They are saying very problematic.

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FinalCeleryScheme · 18/07/2024 00:19

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/07/2024 00:06

So many people being sarcastic and nasty. Why? Joe Biden has achieved so much more in his lifetime than anyone with the time to post on Mumsnet. He has been a very effective President and I can completely understand why he has been so reluctant to stand down with no obvious successor. Trump will be disastrous.
Thanks and goodbye, Joe.

That is possibly the least sensible post on MN ever.

Biden’s single imperative was to stop Trump. Biden’s stubbornness and wish to cling to power has allowed the exact opposite.

Biden is the best possible example of the perils of professional politicians. He knows absolutely nothing other than pork barrel Dem politics.

Cecilly · 18/07/2024 00:25

Biden was infinitely better than Trump in terms of domestic policy. But they're both very poor when it comes to foreign policy.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/07/2024 00:28

I really hope this is an exit strategy. He's not up to defeating Trump.

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ChedderGorgeous · 18/07/2024 00:28

Sleepy Joe needs to sleep now. Seriously he needs to rest. He didn't perform well in the Trump debate because he was jetlagged from a trip two weeks before.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/07/2024 00:29

FinalCeleryScheme

That is possibly the least sensible post on MN ever.

Blimey. Rude 🤣

Who was the alternative, please? No-one with credibility stood up. If I were Joe and believed that Trump was a bloody disaster for the world (which he is, obviously) then, Christ, I’d hang on by my fingernails too. I really believe that poor old sleepy Joe was driven by public service.

Don't you?

Who is your credible Democrat candidate?

duc748 · 18/07/2024 00:32

Who is your credible Democrat candidate

That's what I'm wondering. The only one I've seen who looks anywhere near OK is Mayor Pete, and he's obviously got no chance.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/07/2024 00:38

He may have been, but by not realising he's no longer capable, the US are now between a rock and a hard place. If he'd bowed our gracefully and let someone else go into this campaign the US wouldn't be in the mess it's in

So tell me, please who this obvious “someone else” is @Gorgonemilezola ?
The US system is completely different to the UK. There was no obvious candidate who, according to the polls, could beat Trump.
The polls all indicated that Biden was the Democrat’s best chance.

FinalCeleryScheme · 18/07/2024 00:42

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/07/2024 00:29

FinalCeleryScheme

That is possibly the least sensible post on MN ever.

Blimey. Rude 🤣

Who was the alternative, please? No-one with credibility stood up. If I were Joe and believed that Trump was a bloody disaster for the world (which he is, obviously) then, Christ, I’d hang on by my fingernails too. I really believe that poor old sleepy Joe was driven by public service.

Don't you?

Who is your credible Democrat candidate?

Fuck knows, but surely there is one.

The Democrats are the dominant party in the richest nation there has ever been and that has a very substantial population. There must be someone better than Joe ‘time for your bedpan’ Biden or Harris.

FFS, we are now guaranteed Trump. What was Biden thinking six months ago? Not a lot, presumably.

Momtotwokids · 18/07/2024 00:50

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/07/2024 00:06

So many people being sarcastic and nasty. Why? Joe Biden has achieved so much more in his lifetime than anyone with the time to post on Mumsnet. He has been a very effective President and I can completely understand why he has been so reluctant to stand down with no obvious successor. Trump will be disastrous.
Thanks and goodbye, Joe.

Exactly what has Biden done. Like all politicians he lies and he believes his lies.

Bananagirl23 · 18/07/2024 00:56

People keep talking about Biden’s age, but he’s not that much older than Trump

beetr00 · 18/07/2024 00:58

@SpidersAreShitheads has it absolutely spot on imho

"My worry is that they'll use COVID as the reason for his poor performances - say he was "coming down with it" or suchlike....."

hazandduck · 18/07/2024 01:02

I am quite ignorant on US politics so genuinely asking, why would Kamala Harris be such a terrible replacement for Biden? Wouldn’t she be the first woman president? And a woman of colour too? Isn’t it time these old
white men moved aside and let some young blood in the White House 😂

(I really don’t know anything about her policies so prepared to get flamed here)

Livelovebehappy · 18/07/2024 01:09

Redshoeblueshoe · 17/07/2024 23:32

Yes I'm not convinced. But if they don't want Trump Biden has to go.

To be replaced by who? Kamala Harris would be the obvious choice, but she’s even less popular than Biden. He needs to go, but I don’t think the Democrats will avoid the landslide, and Trump will win by a big majority.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/07/2024 01:09

Fuck knows, but surely there is one?

So @FinalCeleryScheme , please enlighten us as to who this knight in shining armour is?

Therein, as they say, lies the problem,

If I were Sleepy Joe and believed that it was me or the insanity of Trump then I’d hang on as long as I damned well could, in the absence of another credible Democrat candidate.

No one else with higher polling ratings than Joe has put themselves forward.

I think that the poor old guy deserves an holiday and an armchair by the fire after his lifetime of service but atm there doesn’t seem to be a credible option who can beat Trump.

SoreAndTired1 · 18/07/2024 01:10

Why would he step down just because of Covid, which will be gone in like 2 weeks? That doesn't make any sense. It's like quitting as a candidate just because you have the flu.

Losingthebaggage321 · 18/07/2024 01:12

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/07/2024 00:06

So many people being sarcastic and nasty. Why? Joe Biden has achieved so much more in his lifetime than anyone with the time to post on Mumsnet. He has been a very effective President and I can completely understand why he has been so reluctant to stand down with no obvious successor. Trump will be disastrous.
Thanks and goodbye, Joe.

Well said *MrsSkylerWhite *I couldn’t agree more. He is an incredibly impressive individual.

And revolting ageism aside FinalCeleryScheme
I think your crass comment is one of the worst.

Apart from the fact that we will probably all need a bedpan one day, to reduce Joe Biden to that nasty one-liner is so insulting.

I have massive respect for someone who has achieved so much in their lifetime. You don’t have to agree with his political views, or even his decision to stand, but give the man the credit he deserves. All of us in the west are safer and better off for having had him as US President.

Spectre8 · 18/07/2024 01:13

Washt ne literally saying rhe only way he would leave is if a doctor told.him his health wasn't good or something like that and voila now he is ill...it's likley pure coincidence but the timing is so convenient

knitnerd90 · 18/07/2024 01:15

He tested positive; doesn't mean he's sick. It's really going around here; I live near DC.

Also, the pundits are screaming, but a lot of Biden's base do not want him to step down. it's very notable that black politicians and voters have not been calling for it.

Callmemel · 18/07/2024 01:41

Cecilly · 18/07/2024 00:25

Biden was infinitely better than Trump in terms of domestic policy. But they're both very poor when it comes to foreign policy.

I differ on this, tbh. I think Biden's grasp of the complexities of foreign policy is hard to beat. He possesses a granular understanding of the capillary nature of foreign policy, imo.

Oreoqueen87 · 18/07/2024 01:46

SoreAndTired1 · 18/07/2024 01:10

Why would he step down just because of Covid, which will be gone in like 2 weeks? That doesn't make any sense. It's like quitting as a candidate just because you have the flu.

It’s gone in two weeks if you are a healthy 45 year old for example. It can be seriously debilitating and have long term health effects if you’re old.

And they are both really really old to be doing this kind work. From my time working in aged care, 80 is a big turning point. Either way, it’s not good

AutumnCrow · 18/07/2024 01:48

There was a point where Michelle Obama was polling as the only possible potential candidate who would beat Trump. But she doesn’t want to do it, apparently.

The Democrats decide formally in August.

Is this all being choreographed? No idea. Time will tell.

Exactlab · 18/07/2024 02:01

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/07/2024 00:06

So many people being sarcastic and nasty. Why? Joe Biden has achieved so much more in his lifetime than anyone with the time to post on Mumsnet. He has been a very effective President and I can completely understand why he has been so reluctant to stand down with no obvious successor. Trump will be disastrous.
Thanks and goodbye, Joe.

How has he been very effective??

There is inflation due to the US printing too much money (a simplified explanation but an explanation none the less) a loaf of sourdough costs $7.50 in my country and people with jobs are really struggling.

We are teetering on conflict with Russia (it hasn’t been this bad since the Cold War).

Hamas invaded Israel, committed atrocities and wouldn’t release hostages. The US did nothing.

It was revealed that Biden’s son Hunter (a known drug addict) took millions of dollars in ‘consultancy fees’ for sitting on a board of a Ukrainian energy company and there is zero evidence he performed any work.

Biden has been an absolute embarrassment to the office of the Presidency and it raises the question who has been running the country this entire time?

Please tell me how he has been effective?

stayathomer · 18/07/2024 02:13

Who was the alternative, please? No-one with credibility stood up. If I were Joe and believed that Trump was a bloody disaster for the world (which he is, obviously) then, Christ, I’d hang on by my fingernails too. I really believe that poor old sleepy Joe was driven by public service.
Id agree with this. Watch the recent press conference after his horrific trump gaff- he says there’s things that need to be finished. Trump will rip out the good he’s done-and from the analysis after it (watched on a number of different stations over many days as we were in the us), he doesn’t seem he’s just simply been better than trump, he seems to have achieved a lot

stayathomer · 18/07/2024 02:20

Please tell me how he has been effective?
not good at arguing politics but he’s made leaps forward in terms of climate change
he argues for gun control
he got the cost of prescription drugs lowered (apparently a huge thing in us)
his administration apparently got record numbers of people working
they’ve apparently made huge leaps forward in terms of women’s rights

(from different election coverage in the us watched on a number of different channels)

SpidersAreShitheads · 18/07/2024 03:14

hazandduck · 18/07/2024 01:02

I am quite ignorant on US politics so genuinely asking, why would Kamala Harris be such a terrible replacement for Biden? Wouldn’t she be the first woman president? And a woman of colour too? Isn’t it time these old
white men moved aside and let some young blood in the White House 😂

(I really don’t know anything about her policies so prepared to get flamed here)

I think to win the election it's the middle voters you have to win over. Hardcore Trump fans are never going to vote Democrats, so it's the floating voters or the ones who have some doubts that you need to sway.

Trump unfortunately appeals to a certain type of voter. Not exclusively, but certainly many of them. He's says outrageous things that no other politician would touch - very nationalistic things that a certain demographic laps up, including some of those in the middle.

Harris isn't just black but she's also female, and has a reputation for being very left-leaning. It's an enormous leap for those middle voters to go from gungho, racist Trump to a left-wing black woman. Maybe a white woman, or a black man - but bundle them both together and throw in her left-wing reputation and she has a mountain to climb.

I also don't think she's been particularly visible in the last four years, and doesn't seem to have built up a strong reputation as an exceptional politician. It's said that she's weak on policy and hasn't really made any progress on the areas she was responsible for.

On a personal level, I don't get much of a presidential vibe from her. I'm not especially impressed when I see her, much as I'd like to be.

It's a weird one though because Michelle Obama polls very well, even though she allegedly won't consider running. Although she's black and a woman, Michelle seems to have such popularity that she's able to overcome the twin "handicaps" of being black and female! Possibly that's partly due to the fact that Obama is still held in high esteem by many, and his reputation will help. But I also think it's the way she's handled herself - she's always appeared to be a strong, eloquent woman who holds traditional family values, and puts her family at the centre of all she does. That will appeal to many in the middle - I think her qualities appeal to both sides, transcending the usual tribal divisions. She appears confident and assured, and nothing ever seems to faze her. The conservative voters in the middle will appreciate her values and how she's always conducted herself (no shady past like certain other First Lady candidates...). Hardcore Trump voters won't go for her, but they're not going to vote for any Dem so it's irrelevant.

I think sadly Kamala Harris is a complete non-starter - I think she's probably got even less chance of winning than Joe. But if Joe did stand down, would she expect to slot into his place? It's a real slap in the face for her to bring in another candidate above her.

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