OK-Join me in a "Who will lose their job first?" poll

[CurlewKate]

And how soon" competition.

My money's on David Lammy by February.

If only some people on mumsnet spent as much time talking about housing, general health, disability, crime, fraud etc as they do about the trans issue ( which let's face it affects few people on a day to day basis) then it would be a much healthier place to be. It has even crowded out other LGB issues and I know many gay people are fed up of the subject too . I can honestly say it has never featured once in my life or caused me issues- I'm not saying it isn't something that can't be discussed or looked at but let's get the issue into some kind of proportion - other issues matter far more on a day to day basis to 'most' people - and I'm fed up of seeing every post about totally non related topics brought back to this issue

In the past I would have agreed with you however, I'm a senior academic at UK university and I have colleagues who genuinely believe you can change sex. They refuse to listen to anyone who disagrees with them.

During the election the ONLY political party you could be seen to support was Labour. Any hint of supporting any other party was tantamount to career suicide.

Unfortunately the days of critical thinking and healthy academic debate have gone. At least that's my current experience.

Absolutely. Every damned thread. It’s as if FWR doesn’t exist.

Can’t you talk about what you want, no one is stopping you. It’s odd how much control people try to exert over others

Thank you. It’s clear he was talking about lots of groups’ rights then. So not just women, not misogynistic. It’s those posters who think every thread on here is an opportunity to rehash this topic doing the same for Lammy’s comments.

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During the election the ONLY political party you could be seen to support was Labour. Have you listened to any of the Labour MPs talking about their campaign? This is just nonsense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg3j8y77g04o.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/labours-jess-phillips-reflects-on-abuse-in-absolutely-horrible-election-campaign-13173842

https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/uk/2024/07/05/labours-muslim-women-mps-tell-of-campaign-of-intimidation-and-abuse/

https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/uk/2024/06/24/labours-stella-creasy-will-not-be-intimidated-following-attack-on-office/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/29026060/labour-mp-sledgehammer-attack-home/amp/

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/angela-rayner-condemns-intimidation-rosie-duffield-labour/

Well. Middle/upper class People hoarding rights away from the working class. White people hoarding them away from PoC. Straight people holding them away from LGB.
Of course it makes sense.

You think academic study doesn’t include critical thinking, reasoning, logic, analytical thinking
Seriously?

And integrity, honesty and courage are nothing to do with intelligence, nobody suggested they were.
You think you can google during a live interview? It’s clear what he was talking about, I think - reconstructive surgery. He didn’t say he knew it for sure. Was he wrong? Yes. That’s not the same as dishonest.

It’s in the link below what he was referring to

Shadow Justice Secretary David Lammy has told a Labour Party conference fringe event when discussing trans rights this morning that “there are some dinosaurs on the right” and also that “those dinosaurs exist in our own party” who want to “hoard rights”.

Asked at a fringe meeting today about the ongoing conflict in the party over the rights of transgender people, he said there is “always a debate when you’re extending rights to people who have been denied them for so long”.

“Every damned thread” (including a current one about a child going to buy a sausage roll) is infested with Labour cheerleading.

There’s a politics board. Why isn’t this thread and, for example, the nauseatingly sycophantic one ‘AIBU..to like Keir Starmer?’ confined to that board?

The “trans issue” is women’s rights to privacy, dignity, fairness and equality. Of course that will be important to a website mainly used by women.

women’s rights affect all women on a day to day basis. If you think they don’t you’re kidding yourself

Yes, this. Like it's the only issue that affects women.

I think David Tammy is patronising and having heard him on LBC I feel he doesn't listen and some of his arguments fail to understand the more nuanced points. He may be well educated but in my view he comes across extremely badly with poor communication skills. I think Rachel Reeves is competent and steady which is what is needed in that post. Yvette Cooper I think is sharp and other than her gender views I respect her opinions.

They do. Women's rights affect our pay scales, our mat leave and all sorts of other things
We don't have to talk about all of them on every post.

So in answer to the op which of these will be first out then?

I don’t think that’s really a response to what the pp was talking about which is a lack of critical thinking in academia and how you could only be seen to support labour. None of the links you posted are about academia at all.

And I am regularly on boards giving a very big fuck indeed about disability benefits, health, inequalities, gay people, political representation, women’s inequitable place in society and children’s safeguarding.

We don’t on every thread of course. But this thread is about politics and the Labour Party so women’s rights are highly relevant.

During the election the ONLY political party you could be seen to support was Labour.

Have you listened to any of the Labour MPs talking about their campaign? This is just nonsense.

I think you have completely missed the point I was making.

It’s the basis of women’s rights. If we cannot be clear on what a woman is, we cannot have any rights at all as women. We cannot fight for women’s rights if we go along with men being women- then there is no such thing as women’s rights.

if we cannot define women to only include real actual women, we lose many of our hard fought women’s rights including equal pay, etc.

Precisely this. If women includes men then the rights that women have fought for and continue to fight for mean nothing. It means women have no choice about who carries out intimate examinations or personal care, or who participates on their sports and receives the very limited sponsorship, or who sleeps in their daughter’s dormitory, or who sits on women’s advisory panels in employment, or who counsels rape victims who haven’t yet “reframed their trauma” or any of the many other things that affects us as women. This underpins so many aspects of our lives.

It's not, actually. No mention of Labour in the OP. Ben Habib already won the competition to be first out.

And even if it were a thread about the labour party, you really don't have to discuss this one topic every time. There's so many other things to also talk about.

Nothing to do with her being common, more the fact shes got the vocabulary of a fish wife and a fish wife probably has better manners! Shes simply an embarrassment to the country!

I swear more than I’ve ever heard Rayner swear. So do a large portion of MN. It’s an indication of absolutely nothing about intelligence or claw or professionalism.
Im not embarrassed by her. I was/am embarrassed by Johnson and Truss, though. And by Sunak leaving D Day celebrations.

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You lost, get over it?