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CurlewKate · 10/07/2024 09:57

And how soon" competition.

My money's on David Lammy by February.

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AutumnCrow · 10/07/2024 16:37

SirChenjins · 10/07/2024 16:32

A couple of years ago the SPS confirmed 16 trans inmates in Scots prisons, of whom eight began their transition while “being cared for in custody following their remand or conviction for their current offence”.
The SPS said the other eight trans prisoners began transitioning or were living in their acquired gender when they were convicted or placed on remand.
In response to a Freedom of Information request, the SPS disclosed that six trans prisoners have “current or previous” convictions for sex offences.
An undisclosed number of trans women – men identifying as female – are currently under consideration for a move into the female estate. From Back Into Society.

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A.k.a. 'sudden onset conviction dysphoria'.

absquatulize · 10/07/2024 16:40

Jellycatspyjamas · 10/07/2024 16:19

How do you tackle VAWG when men can be women, including committing offences against women while claiming womanhood themselves? You tackle it by punishing perpetrators, regardless of sex.

It’s important that the sex of perpetrators is recorded accurately though. We have a real issue of male violence against women - if men can be violent towards women and then change gender while awaiting trial, as tends to happen, then have that crime recorded as having a female perpetrator that becomes problematic when accurately assessing male violence towards women. It’s not about being precious, it’s about understanding societal trends as they impact women - as in adult, human, female.

I am pleased to read that the new government has already sorted out the criminal justice system and now the perpetrators of sexual violence are being brought to trial, this is quite a change from a week ago.

EasternStandard · 10/07/2024 16:41

cardibach · 10/07/2024 16:10

How on earth do you get that from what I’ve said?
I actually don’t think we should call anyone thick, particularly those who have proved their academic excellence, just because they might say something silly, or misinformed, or in error or that we don’t agree with. Or at all really.
What I’m saying is that some people, some racist people, might be predisposed to assume a PoC is less intelligent.

Which other group of people, besides answering ‘men’, could he say were hoarding rights and it be a mere error?

Any disadvantaged groups?

AutumnCrow · 10/07/2024 16:49

AutumnCrow · 10/07/2024 16:37

A.k.a. 'sudden onset conviction dysphoria'.

Or is it 'sudden conviction gender dysphoria'? It's hard to keep up with the latest criminal grift at the best of times.

Jellycatspyjamas · 10/07/2024 17:06

I’d really like to know how many times it’s happened given that trans people of both sexes compromise 0.5% of the population.

Another poster has given figures for Scotland, that they are low numbers doesn’t matter for the women who will potentially be housed with male offenders who have committed offences against women. Female prisoners tend to have a different offence profile to men, and women are imprisoned at much lower numbers so a small number of men claiming womanhood has the potential to skew offence figures.

Alfreddoeblin · 10/07/2024 17:09

Lol. The tories underfunded the criminal justice system so much they cannot imprison criminals for the full length of their term. Male criminals who could attack actual real women. So is that Labour’s fault ? The f***g country is falling apart at the seams and yet these lot desperately want Labour to fail. Why ?

ElaineMBenes · 10/07/2024 17:22

No I don’t think it’s remotely important. What is important is that it doesn’t happen or if it does that the perpetrators are punished.

But it is important. Understanding how and why violence is happening is how you tackle it before it happens.
My relative was murdered by a man because she was female. Two women a week are murdered by men because they are female. We need to know that information so that we can start to address the problem.

That's how we stop it happening.

ElaineMBenes · 10/07/2024 17:25

Alfreddoeblin · 10/07/2024 17:09

Lol. The tories underfunded the criminal justice system so much they cannot imprison criminals for the full length of their term. Male criminals who could attack actual real women. So is that Labour’s fault ? The f***g country is falling apart at the seams and yet these lot desperately want Labour to fail. Why ?

I don't want labour to fail.
However, I can dislike certain politicians because I don't agree with their views and policies.
Supporting a particular political party doesn't mean blindly supporting all of the members.

BIossomtoes · 10/07/2024 17:39

ElaineMBenes · 10/07/2024 17:22

No I don’t think it’s remotely important. What is important is that it doesn’t happen or if it does that the perpetrators are punished.

But it is important. Understanding how and why violence is happening is how you tackle it before it happens.
My relative was murdered by a man because she was female. Two women a week are murdered by men because they are female. We need to know that information so that we can start to address the problem.

That's how we stop it happening.

Good luck with understanding men’s violence against women. And how would that understanding be achieved by not classifying trans women as women?

SirChenjins · 10/07/2024 17:45

Because transwoman are men, obviously. They’re also disproportionately housed prison for sexual offences compared to other men. It’s important the reasons for this are understood and addressed - and it’s made clear that women are not responsible for those sexual offences.

BIossomtoes · 10/07/2024 17:52

SirChenjins · 10/07/2024 17:45

Because transwoman are men, obviously. They’re also disproportionately housed prison for sexual offences compared to other men. It’s important the reasons for this are understood and addressed - and it’s made clear that women are not responsible for those sexual offences.

There aren’t enough for it to make any difference to the stats. And you still haven’t answered my question. I didn’t ask the one you’ve answered.

ElaineMBenes · 10/07/2024 18:12

Good luck with understanding men’s violence against women.

Oh I do understand it. When your mum is murdered by a man simply for trying to leave the relationship you make it your mission to understand. Tackling it is another challenge entirely. The patriarchy and misogyny run deep (in both men and women)

And how would that understanding be achieved by not classifying trans women as women?
Do you not understand how that would skew all of the data and make it nigh on impossible to understand and address the issue?

A biological woman's lived experience is always going to be different to that of a biological male. We know the average man is strongly and faster than the average woman and that strength means that women are more vulnerable in a volatile, violent situation.
If biological men who are violent start identifying as women and are categorised as such then that changes what we 'know' about violence against women and girls.
Suddenly men aren't a threat.....it's women who are the problem.

Moving away from violence......
more men than women are in leadership positions and many organisations have developed particular strategies to encourage more women into leadership. The reasons for this are complex and nuanced but are grounded in the lived experiences of being a biological woman. If we can't clearly identify those reasons then we can't address them.

We can apply this to pretty much every aspect of society. It's important.

KTheGrey · 10/07/2024 18:21

SirChenjins · 10/07/2024 16:24

Of course it's important - it should be stopped well before it gets to the punishment stage. In order to prevent crimes from happening you need to understand why they happen and address the issues with resources, education, prevention and so on. You can't do that unless you know the sex, race, religion and so on of the people committing the crimes. This is basic stuff.

Prevention??? Madam! clutches pearls

SirChenjins · 10/07/2024 18:37

BIossomtoes · 10/07/2024 17:52

There aren’t enough for it to make any difference to the stats. And you still haven’t answered my question. I didn’t ask the one you’ve answered.

Stats are only valid if the data in is correct so they can be reported correctly. I have answered your question.

BIossomtoes · 10/07/2024 19:14

SirChenjins · 10/07/2024 18:37

Stats are only valid if the data in is correct so they can be reported correctly. I have answered your question.

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You haven’t but never mind.

SirChenjins · 10/07/2024 19:19

I did - and I don’t

LittleBowSheep · 10/07/2024 20:11

@CurlewKate I really don't understand why you started this thread. What were you hoping to achieve?

It comes across as you want to see people fail which in my mind is just plain nasty.

What were you thinking?

WickedSerious · 10/07/2024 20:36

Has anyone mentioned Harvard yet?

SirChenjins · 10/07/2024 20:49

WickedSerious · 10/07/2024 20:36

Has anyone mentioned Harvard yet?

Once or twice. Do Harvard offer degrees in biology?

MrsSkylerWhite · 10/07/2024 20:53

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Blahblah34 · Today 12:55
What's the evidence of Lammy being thick? Didn't he play an absolute blinder getting Starmer a meeting with Biden at D Day commemoration?

IlPerhaps some posters don’t know that he has already visited the US, in his then role as shadow. He was incredibly well received, not just by democrats but by some republicans too.

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WickedSerious · 10/07/2024 20:53

SirChenjins · 10/07/2024 20:49

Once or twice. Do Harvard offer degrees in biology?

Possibly,it might not be the old fashioned type of biology though.

daliesque · 10/07/2024 22:19

We've all said mortifyingly embarrassing things sometimes, surely?

I once wen through an interview for a job where I totally forgot the word metastasis.

I'm an oncologist.

CassieMaddox · 10/07/2024 22:24

ElaineMBenes · 10/07/2024 18:12

Good luck with understanding men’s violence against women.

Oh I do understand it. When your mum is murdered by a man simply for trying to leave the relationship you make it your mission to understand. Tackling it is another challenge entirely. The patriarchy and misogyny run deep (in both men and women)

And how would that understanding be achieved by not classifying trans women as women?
Do you not understand how that would skew all of the data and make it nigh on impossible to understand and address the issue?

A biological woman's lived experience is always going to be different to that of a biological male. We know the average man is strongly and faster than the average woman and that strength means that women are more vulnerable in a volatile, violent situation.
If biological men who are violent start identifying as women and are categorised as such then that changes what we 'know' about violence against women and girls.
Suddenly men aren't a threat.....it's women who are the problem.

Moving away from violence......
more men than women are in leadership positions and many organisations have developed particular strategies to encourage more women into leadership. The reasons for this are complex and nuanced but are grounded in the lived experiences of being a biological woman. If we can't clearly identify those reasons then we can't address them.

We can apply this to pretty much every aspect of society. It's important.

Seriously?
The amount of male violence against women is not going to be "skewed" by including a few trans women victims. Sadly its an epidemic. As you know 3 women a month are killed as a result of domestic violence. How many of those have ever been trans women?

AzureAnt · 10/07/2024 22:44

daliesque · 10/07/2024 22:19

We've all said mortifyingly embarrassing things sometimes, surely?

I once wen through an interview for a job where I totally forgot the word metastasis.

I'm an oncologist.

That's not the same as a member of parliament saying men can grow a cervix and calling women dinosaurs hoarding their rights though is it

CassieMaddox · 10/07/2024 22:46

AzureAnt · 10/07/2024 22:44

That's not the same as a member of parliament saying men can grow a cervix and calling women dinosaurs hoarding their rights though is it

He didn't do either of those things - its a tedious misrepresentation.