Death penalty

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I don't want to be roasted. I do believe in it. For personal reasons it's definitely valid in my opinion.
I believe if you're so heinous in your behaviour to warrant that sentence then yes.
I'm all for it.
I'm aware it's an unpopular opinion. So I'm really only talking about people who confessed or where there was truly evidence they were guilty.
I'm asking as my mum is dead set against it. No matter what.
Whereas, my dad said he'd be the executioner if he believed their guilt for sex crimes etc.
So. Im just curious really.
I hope my thread is not deleted.... I know lots of people like to complain.

In principle very much opposed, but then one thinks of Emma Tustin...

"Thou shalt not kill". That is all. And two wrongs can never equal right.

It doesn't work as a deterrent.
It's v rare to be 100% guilty.
You shouldn't base a justice system on an emotional response ('how wld you feel if it was yr child' etc)
State sanctioned killing is abhorrent.
'Murder is wrong, so we're going to murder you in retaliation'.

Easy prisons? Have you ever been inside a maximum security prison for serious offenders? I have - through my work. Come back when you've shared that experience.

So have I and secure hospitals. Grim.

An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

"State sponsored murder is still murder"

Wrong. If it were then we'd have had to let the Nazis win in WWII. There is a difference between killing and murder.

And what about state sponsored kidnapping and imprisonment? Do you claim that is immoral too? Should we legalise rape, robbery etc because the state has no right to punish?

I believe our justice system is too corrupt to be trusted with the death penalty, but when you say "It doesn't work as a deterrent" it certainly deters someone from doing it again if they are executed the first time.

When a rapist leaves prison and rapes again think about that.

Timothy Evans, whose case helped end the death penalty in this country

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans

His trial lasted three days, it took 40 minutes to find him guilty and he was hanged a couple of months later.

I can’t help you with that level of underthinking.

Why are government's allowed to wage war on innocent civilians

Uh, they're not? That's....literally a war crime of the most serious nature?

Not to say it doesn't happen, of course it does, but if you're going to throw out laws because people break them you might throw out the entire idea of society and human co-operation.

@CurlewKate Category D prisons, like Ford

doingtime.co.uk/how-prisons-work/how-do-prisons-actually-work/types-of-prison-and-prisoners/#:~:text=After%20some%20time%20in%20prison,have%20a%20more%20relaxed%20regime.

People have still escaped though and there have been riots

I struggle with this. You say you are a forensic psychologist? That's also what my training is in... You say you don't feel sorry for anyone that has been sent to death, despite as a forensic psychologist knowing the horrific lives people can have endured as children that has fucked up their development and turned them down that path?

I know I have had empathy for the child that they were, while not condoning the monster they became.

Before you have the death penalty abolish the appeals system.

@Batgin I'm not a forensic psychologist. I am a psychologist. I too feel for the child that they once were. However, knowing what some people are capable of and after many chances they continue to commit heinous crimes then death is the only way to stop them.

What do you mean after 'many chances'? There's surely something very wrong with a justice system that's releasing people who commit heinous crime after heinous crime and giving them many chances.

@cupcaske123 it's well documented that repeat offenders are often released and go on to commit more crimes. There is definitely something wrong with the system.

Brother is a barrister, there are miscarriages of justice every day.
There are people who admit to crimes they haven’t done, they can’t help it.
Other than this; state sanctioned murder is still murder.

I'm disputing the fact that people commit heinous crimes, are given many chances and continue to commit heinous crimes with free abandon. If there's something seriously wrong with the system then the death penalty is the last thing we need

The recidivism rate in the UK is indeed high. In other countries it is different. This suggests not that we need the death penalty, but that we are doing prison wrong. We are bad at prevention and we are bad at rehabilitation and we pander too much to the hang 'em and flog 'em brigades. If you want to reduce crime and recidivism, change the society that people live in.

No, 2 wrongs and all that. I would rather they were incarcerated until their last breath. Can you imagine never going for a walk in the rain/sunshine, never being able to see a loved 1 when u wanted.
For me personally, that would be a living hell.

Where in the world has the least amount of recidivism ?
If the authorities saw what is being done there and tailor it to suit UK ( or Irish where I'm from ) society.

Denmark has a recidivism rate of 27% and their model, which is very different to ours, seems to be very effective.

I agree with you OP- I would be in favour of the death penalty. The UK is far too lenient. At the end of the day it's down to the courts to ensure they are doing their job properly. Therefore the correct person imprisoned and given the appropriate penalty.