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Thread 55: Sunak gives up

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BIossomtoes · 05/07/2024 04:58

New election thread.

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TheABC · 06/07/2024 12:33

Igotjelly · 05/07/2024 21:42

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1809313761301524729

Rwanda scheme ‘effectively dead’

Thank fuck.
There's a lot to choose from over the past 4 years but Rwanda was wrong on so many levels.

Even if you were doing it from a self-styled "Dark Lord" viewpoint it was horrendously inefficient.

user1984778379202 · 06/07/2024 13:03

Interesting take re: next leader from George Osborne on his politics podcast with Ed Balls this morning. Apparently David Cameron and other senior party figures are trying to persuade Sunak to stay on as leader until after the Tory conference in Sept. They want him to copy Michael Howard in 1997 after Blair won. Howard stayed on while the leadership contest went ahead and all the nominees had to give a final speech at the conference to prove their suitability. Cameron, who'd been a bit of an outsider, shone through and was anointed. The Tory grandees want that the same process to happen again to make sure they absolutely get the right candidate – but trying to persuade Sunak to linger like a bad smell may be problematic.

Downsidesupside · 06/07/2024 13:24

When ds2 was a toddler, he had trouble with his hearing and needed an operation to correct this. This led to delayed speech and language, causing meltdowns when he was unable to communicate.
Fortunately Labour was still in charge and we gained access to a couple of amazing speech and language therapists who supported him, us and the school to find solutions that worked for him.

He then also had dyslexia so school was incredibly challenging, and I remember reading several reports which said that a very high percentage of the prison population had those issues. Dh and and plus those around us worked really hard to find solutions, tips, tactics, anything that might help.

When he got angry, he would write notes and tear them up or burn them.
We got a punch bag.
He went to a martial art (now holds a black belt, has completed some of the courses to become an instructor).
He had breathing exercises to calm himself.
We worked with his schools to ensure he had things in place to support him, so an exit pass from lessons and a safe space he could go to. Fortunately his secondary school didn't start to suffer from a lack of funding until he was going into year 9.

Support in early makes a massive difference to the outcomes of vulnerable people and that has been lacking in the last twelve years.

TimeForRishiByeByes · 06/07/2024 13:26

Hello all, also loving the cabinet decisions. I hadn't really heard of the Timpsons before, knew they were a great employer and that they did generous things for people such as dry cleaning and interview outfit etc.
I'm sad to say 'byebyes' to my username!

TimeForRishiByeByes · 06/07/2024 13:28

Everything that @Downsidesupside has said has made me feel so desperate for my daughter to go to school under a labour government I was mainly at school during the labour era and it was just so much more supportive.
I love the grown up in the room feeling.

rockstarshoes · 06/07/2024 13:29

There's a press conference happening now, the ridiculous slogans have gone! Thank goodness!

user1984778379202 · 06/07/2024 13:30

TimeForRishiByeByes · 06/07/2024 13:28

Everything that @Downsidesupside has said has made me feel so desperate for my daughter to go to school under a labour government I was mainly at school during the labour era and it was just so much more supportive.
I love the grown up in the room feeling.

Are you watching the PM's first press conference? It's on now and it's exuding that grown-up feeling! The journos are trying to do that usual 'gotcha!' thing but it's not working. He's being calm and honest.

cakeorwine · 06/07/2024 13:32

user1984778379202 · 06/07/2024 13:30

Are you watching the PM's first press conference? It's on now and it's exuding that grown-up feeling! The journos are trying to do that usual 'gotcha!' thing but it's not working. He's being calm and honest.

I talked about this on the new thread.

I don't know what thread to post on anymore!!!

newnamethanks · 06/07/2024 13:34

Experience has taught me to distrust the first words of any PM but I'm impressed by KS and the contents of his speech and plan of action. A Grown Up in charge! It feels so unfamiliar given the uncontrollable infants we've had to become used to. Fingers 🤞

prettybird · 06/07/2024 13:41

@cakeorwine - I think if it's to do with Starmer, then it should go on the new thread Wink

Apileofballyhoo · 06/07/2024 13:49

From the outside, even though we are less outside than the rest of Europe and have a shared history (!), DH and I have just been saying it looks like Britain is back. During Brexit there was talk of disbelief from Europe as the feeling had been previously that you could always rely on the UK to be the sensible ones, the grown-ups in the room. I feel hopeful today, the UK electorate has rocked the right wing trend by electing a different government, there is no coalition with a right wing party. I know Reform got 5 seats, I know there isn't a huge popular vote (and I know the strategy that led to it), I know KS is no TB, but so what? Around the world it looks different.

I feel like this government had a plan to win the election, which they did. If they apply the same determination to other challenges they'll do that to. That press conference was wonderful.

Ed for typo.

L1ttledrummergirl · 06/07/2024 13:54

Is there a link to the new thread, I think I've missed it?

CassieMaddox · 06/07/2024 13:55

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DuncinToffee · 06/07/2024 13:57

New Thread ⬇

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5113309-thread-1-starmer-a-new-hope

L1ttledrummergirl · 06/07/2024 14:03

Thank you.

SerendipityJane · 06/07/2024 15:14

Notonthestairs · 06/07/2024 10:17

This won't happen immediately but I'd like to see some movement towards this please -

The Liberal Democrats plan to use their best-ever contingent of 71 MPs to push Keir Starmer to begin cross-party talks on a new plan for social care, saying the issue was raised repeatedly by voters during their election campaign.

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/05/lib-dems-to-push-for-cross-party-talks-on-tackling-social-care

Maybe pushing at an open door ?

If Brexit and Covid had been approached in a similar manner, the UK would probably have a lot more well off alive people around.

SerendipityJane · 06/07/2024 15:19

itsgettingweird · 06/07/2024 11:15

I have heard so many people from all parties actually say positive things about Sunak and his ability.

Does make you wonder if he'd have been a better PM in a different moment of time within the Tory leadership and party position?

I mean - he chose that time to take it on. And I'm not saying he isn't responsible for many things in the shitshow - I'll never forgive him for Rwanda. Just I wonder sometimes how much we see of the real person and how much we see of the parties puppet.

The one thing I have confidence in with Labour is that Starmer will be the puppet master.

"The Peter Principle" is a universal law of nature.

Heavenssakes · 06/07/2024 19:40

Last one for the old threads; I was feeling (for personal reasons) quite low this morning.
Then I remembered Rees-Mogg losing. Not only losing, but by his loss giving Labour a majority.
And I smiled.

Thanks to everyone on these threads.

CassieMaddox · 06/07/2024 19:43

SerendipityJane · 06/07/2024 15:14

Maybe pushing at an open door ?

If Brexit and Covid had been approached in a similar manner, the UK would probably have a lot more well off alive people around.

Oh this would be amazing 👏
I hope both parties do this and show a different way of doing politics

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