Thread 50 Sunak: Civil war, what civil war?

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Just over 2 weeks to go

It was a car crash.
Two weeks to go.

This time in two weeks will have the exit poll. I cannot wait.

It was all about tax cuts. That's all he can say

I wonder how Farage would have got on with that audience?

BBC News is really annoying me : it's giving competely the wrong impression of the order that the leaders had their time to answer questions from the audience. It's presented back to front : starting with Sunak, then "next" Starmer, "next" Swinney and "then" Davey

Unless "next" and "then" have different meanings at the BBC

This time in two weeks will have the exit poll. I cannot wait.

Cannot come soon enough.

My understanding is that the European convention on human rights is a international convention, only Russia and (I think) Belarus have not signed it.

It was written, I believe, by mostly British lawyers after the second world war, and attempts to set out what is, and what is not, acceptable in warfare, among other things.

the only link to Europe is that it was drafted here, I believe.

Thanks!

Oh, and I think Rwanda has said that it will not accept refugees from the UK if we leave it.

There are I believe 47 members of the European Convention on Human Rights.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/what-is-the-european-convention-on-human-rights#:~:text=The%20European%20Convention%20on%20Human%20Rights%20(ECHR)%20is%20an%20international,confused%20with%20the%20European%20Union.

Yes. Last time I checked, rechecks map, the UK and Ireland is a large archipelago off the mainland of, checks again, continental Europe.

I think @user1471453601 has confused the ECHR with the Geneva convention.

Yes, the ECHR was largely written by lawyers in the Treasury Solicitor in London. It is not foreign. It drawn from English legal tradition in main, and Sunak can fuck off with his suggestion that we leave.

So I guess the UN is also a foreign organisation as it's based in New York?

Will be interesting to see what the polls say tomorrow. Sunak was easily the worst there for me.

Definitely!

The convention and the court are two different things though.

The reference to warfare is, I think, a reference to the Geneva Convention.

That confused me too. I don't understand how they could have got that wrong when the programme had only just been aired. 'Live' allegedly.

I did like the way that Starmer positioned himself quite close up to the audience. Good planning.

Yes I noticed that. I thought he really treated the audience like adults too. The question about tuition fees showed that - he basically said "I prioritised this, if you don't agree, don't vote for me". I thought it was perfect. Yes. That's democracy.

Totally agree. Spoke to people as fellow grown ups.

Did I just hear Jon Craig (Sky's chief political reporter) describe Rosie Duffield as a Conservative politician???

Tell me I misheard

Betcha the Mail is already lining this up as evidence of how it's all the fault of Labour.

Just like that wee French D-day thing. Foreign continental stuff.