So they want to replace PIP/DLA money with vouchers?

[moneyinthebinthatsmrtim]

I don't understand it. It is really worrying me.

This payment helps pay for so many things. I doubt these vouchers would cover that, or give the freedom to shop or buy from where you want or need to.

I included DLA because it's really just the child's version of PIP. Eventually, my profoundly disabled child will be an adult and will have to be on PIP

Is there really any truth in this? I can't see any articles directly quoting Labour or Conservative. I might just be in such a worry that I have missed that bit

Apologies if there is another thread on this too. I am happy to get this one taken off if that's the case

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pip-disability-benefits-plan-rishi-government-critics-b2537209.html

Well this but maybe the pp might want a voucher for their pension heat and food is sufficient.

I often wonder this when I'm helping older people apply for Attendance allowance and I offer them a full benefit check and they 150k in the bank. A regular occurrence in my line of work.

Right well that's the thread derailed.

There's no point to it any more. Why posters put their time and energy engaging with an obvious writer of deliberately poke-and-prod posts is their business of course, but I think I'd prefer to send a follow-up email to the consultation about matters arising on this thread.

Sorry if I seem grumpy but, you know, pain.

Tell me that you have no idea how taxation and benefits work without telling me that you have no idea how taxation and benefits work.

There is no ringfenced funding source for Child Benefit.

@AutumnCrow I'm so sorry, be as grumpy as you want!

This poster is however a perfect illustration of the reason why the UK is as it is. We can never have a system like the Scandinavian countries, because there are too many people who instinctively look to kick down at those who have less than they do, and resent anyone getting anything they don't get.

Do you have a "free car" as well!

My aunt uses some of her PIP to help pay for a winter break somewhere warm every year. She has the kind of progressive autoimmune condition that has painful arthritis as a symptom and cold weather makes it even more painful for her. She takes no other holidays.

Sometimes a holiday isn't just a holiday, it's a break from constant pain.

People can't just live on bread, they need roses too.

The "free car" vitriol is a perfect example of why a voucher system would not placate the wilfully ignorant ableist people.
Some PIP claimants choose to take their mobility element as a voucher to use for an adapted car, redeemed through a charity.
People view this as "getting a free car" and use this against disabled people anyway.

Good for her it probably charges her up for the rest of the winter.

I wasn't having a dig at people going on holidays honestly.

That isn't true you are just saying stuff now !

When it’s not even a free car motability is just a kind of finance that’s all

No it doesn't. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/vulnerable

Yes motability is actually a very expensive way of renting a car. I would never have used it but for the fact I had to change my car because of adaptations related to disability.

Reading that poster's posts, I honestly think that they were just trying to wind up posters. I highly doubt that they had even bothered to read hardly any of the thread.

They're everywhere, on multiple threads and boards. Given that MNHQ seems remarkably tolerant these days of repeat derailers and poke-and-prod types, I'm afraid that MN has become a rather annoying place to try to discuss serious issues.

All I can suggest is (a) report to MNHQ - they may eventually notice the patterns if they're pointed out enough times; and (b) ignore the buzzy fly people.

I agree @AutumnCrow . There is no "safe space" on MN for many groups of people. And even when some posts are reported, it is down to how the mod interprets the post, if it will be removed, or not.

What will we find out if going to be voucher or not I really hope it not

It does have its uses and for some it’s a fantastic scheme. The fact it’s all in, is one of them, plus the adaptations. Like you say though, it’s expensive and this rhetoric that it’s a “free car” is utter bullshit.

Problem is, even if that poster was just trying to wind people up, it's a sentiment unfortunately increasingly shared by many people. So it's no bad thing imo to robustly challenge it and point out the reality of disability and the extra costs incurred.

Unless you are disabled you have no idea. Six months ago I fell ill. I have had an autoimmune disease for twenty years. My health took a turn for the worse and I had to get paramedics to help me off the floor. I'm late 50s. I suffered 17 weeks in bed and lost my high paying executive job. I couldn't wipe my own backside, get out of bed or wash myself. I have paid a huge amount of tax for thirty years and between contracts never had uc because my husband works overtime. He feels he must if I'm not working. My consultant recommended I apply for pip. Yes I can have a 'free' car but I'm not well enough to drive it. It is terribly difficult to get pip. My late brother who had kidney disease was only given the lower level. The man died ten weeks later. Again a high earner who was paying huge tax. The poor soul won't even get his pension.
Would I give up my benefit if I could walk without aids again? Absolutely because let me tell those who think it's a doddle I live in pain 24/7, I'm medicated to sleep and I feel fucking useless. I want my job back and the revenue can have my tax. Very few disabled people choose to be a professional invalid. That's a myth.

Yes this.

Yes, maybe, but the problem is that posters like that will keep on insisting that xyz is not the case, even when posters have laid bare their situations, and ways in which the PIP helps their daily lives. I would not expect that someone who is not living with a disability, or personally knows someone who is, to have the first clue as to what it could be like, or entail. What I take exception to, is the blatant dismissal of people's lived experience. Lived experiences that posters are painfully sharing here.

What will we find out if going to be voucher or not I really hope it not