So they want to replace PIP/DLA money with vouchers?

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I don't understand it. It is really worrying me.

This payment helps pay for so many things. I doubt these vouchers would cover that, or give the freedom to shop or buy from where you want or need to.

I included DLA because it's really just the child's version of PIP. Eventually, my profoundly disabled child will be an adult and will have to be on PIP

Is there really any truth in this? I can't see any articles directly quoting Labour or Conservative. I might just be in such a worry that I have missed that bit

Apologies if there is another thread on this too. I am happy to get this one taken off if that's the case

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pip-disability-benefits-plan-rishi-government-critics-b2537209.html

And cost the state more? You're then telling me where these vouchers can be spent even if I end up finding the same product cheaper

Whats your foundation. The vouchers are fine. Who cares if you hand a voucher in for food I dont. Theres no shame in needing help.

You haven't answered any of my questions or responded to any other posters you just repeated yourself why didn't you answer questions about voucher spending?

Yes but it means they can keep an eye on whats being brought. Ive no issue in buying food for someone. If im paying for a holiday which i carnt afford im pissed off

PIP isn't for food though, or general costs that everyone has... it is for the extra costs associated with disability so that could be special food, higher energy bills due to medical equipment.

Also, PIP is not just about the money... it is a gateway to other benefits and help.

Multiple disabled posters have given their own real life examples of why vouchers would not work for them. Maybe read through them before spouting crap about being a taxpayer (which everyone is) and "free money".

Ah holidays there we have it !

Then you do it for all benefits. Why is it ok for someone on UC to spend their money on a holiday but not someone on pip?

Next will be the flat screen TV.

And perhaps the childfree and childless person who worked for many years before becoming disabled, is pissed off that they paid for your kids instead of being able to afford a holiday when they worked?

(Again I'm not personally suggesting people shouldn't support kids, or disabled people, or anyone else in need. Just pointing out the problem with your extremely individualistic argument).

It's not about holidays anyway. Vouchers are demeaning, take people's dignity away, and don't take into account individual needs and requirements.

Ok thats fine. But you have to understand this money is being given to you from the tax payer. We have a right to know where its going . Vouchers are a way of tracking that. Its not money earnt . You cannot expect the tax payer not to want to know that information. As i said we all hit hard times. Im happy to support the vulnerable. I just need to know im jot being taken for a mug

I paid my mortgage off with mine 😉 and have been on holiday, bought a flat screen tv and have the occasional drink. I don't have a goat though.

But why just pip?

So if you receive PIP,you're not allowed to take a holiday?

You have fuck all right to know where and how people spend their money !

What? Would you like an itemised printout from each PIP claimant about what they do with their money? It is none of your business how they spend their money. Once it lands in their bank account, it is theirs.

Why are you not concerned with how pensioners spend their money? After all, your NI contributions are funding the people that are currently receiving a pension.

No they cannot.
A pension is for general living as has already been stated. Just like wages or UC.
Disability benefits are to support a person who has a disability and to fund the additional costs / support needed because they have that specific condition and towards that specific condition.

They are completely and utterly different!

If this government thought they could get away with it.....

Okay, but then you will only get your child benefit in vouchers, because as a tax payer, I want to be able to keep an eye on whether you're actually spending it on your children.

The argument that the PP is posing is that it is her tax money, and she wants to know how it is spent.

So, it is not different in that respect

No they cannot.
A pension is for general living as has already been stated. Just like wages or UC.
Disability benefits are to support a person who has a disability and to fund the additional costs / support needed because they have that specific condition and towards that specific condition.

They are completely and utterly different!

Not as different as you may think. PIP is often used to meet general living costs because the additional cost of a disability is a lack of earning ability.

OK, I'm going to do this in short words so that you might finally understand it: PIP is not just for people who are out of work. People who work get it too. Like my son.

Got it now? No?

That's going to cost more in the bureaucracy and honestly it's completely degrading to want to sit in judgment of what a disabled potentially dying person may spend their PIP because you want them to realise they've not earned the money! If they're entitled to pip that's it, you're not superior because you're able to work and I say that as someone who works full time doesn't claim anything but wants to live in a decent society that has proper safeguards and doesn't degrade people.

PIP is to support all people who have disabilities that need additional support or have additional expenses because they are disabled.
Currently whether a person is poor or well off does not determine whether they are disabled.
Personally I think it would be immoral to means test disability allowance, but who knows, maybe future Governments will have to.

I use DS DLA amongst other things to pay for a class which helps him massively. If that had to be paid for with a voucher the likelihood is the admin costs would make it impossible.

like many others DS has been failed by CAMHs. That class is one of the things that does the best job of keeping his mental health okish and hopefully away from returning to crisis point.

we use it to pay for access to a hydrotherapy pool. This is run by a small charity - again admin costs (especially given most of the users are disabled) would have a massive knock on on accessibility.

without those things the cost to the NHS for DS care alone would increase even more.

it’s very short sighted to believe that a voucher scheme would save money. It would more likely cost a fortune (but make a fortune for the friends of goverment who help administer it I am sure)

I mean did they go to curry's for the TV do they have the receipt just incase some random tax payer asks to see it!