So they want to replace PIP/DLA money with vouchers?

[moneyinthebinthatsmrtim]

I don't understand it. It is really worrying me.

This payment helps pay for so many things. I doubt these vouchers would cover that, or give the freedom to shop or buy from where you want or need to.

I included DLA because it's really just the child's version of PIP. Eventually, my profoundly disabled child will be an adult and will have to be on PIP

Is there really any truth in this? I can't see any articles directly quoting Labour or Conservative. I might just be in such a worry that I have missed that bit

Apologies if there is another thread on this too. I am happy to get this one taken off if that's the case

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pip-disability-benefits-plan-rishi-government-critics-b2537209.html

Or indeed whether the results of the consultation deem that

certain additional costs are no longer funded at all
certain additional needs are funded with cash and others by other means

It looks like it will be based on diagnosed condition more and not individuals specific needs.

The consultation, I understand, is not about trust and more about the predicted future unaffordable cost both in terms of payments and running costs.

All disabled people pay tax because everyone pays tax.

Also tax isn't the only economic contribution people make. Buying goods and services, which keeps businesses afloat and people in jobs.

the state pension is funded by NI contributions. I've paid in for 35 years . Pip is paid by tax payer

Pension is paid by ni . Which I've paid for 35 years pip is not

Not all people pay tax . It maybe your benefits are taxed but its still funded by workers. If you dont work how can you pay tax everything is being given to you by tax payers who work

@621r Disabled people are taxpayers. Everyone is.

And with people who're too disabled to work, many previously worked. Others, those who've always been too disabled to work, still pay tax even if not income tax. They also contribute to the economy through buying goods and services, which keeps other people in work. Especially relevant, given there's fewer job vacancies than people looking for work.

I somehow doubt you genuinely would want vouchers if you become disabled (and there's no magic wand that means you can guarantee it won't happen to you). You'd welcome that lack of dignity, really? I know I wouldn't. Few people would.

As i said thats fine .but if i wish to spend my wages on beer and fags thats my choice. I git up at 5.30 and earnt it . You however have not . Do in your position id be grateful for vouchers

@621r many pensioners have NI credits via child benefit, and not from work.
Many PIP recipients pay NI through their work.
Any argument for PIP vouchers can also be applied to Pension vouchers.

I don't think you understand that PIP is not an out of work benefit. My son gets it. He works.

Do you understand now?

Really sorry why cash not vouchers . I love a voucher .

Some people need to realise that they are only one illness or accident away from becoming disabled. None of us know what the future holds.

Income tax isn't the only tax. Lots of other taxes. Including VAT, which everyone pays.

And like I said many disabled people worked before becoming too disabled to work. Keir Starmer's mum was one such example.

Others, like my neighbour's severely disabled adult son, indirectly pay income tax because they're responsible for the employment of other people including his carers, but also the goods and services he purchases.

And of course separate from his economic contributions, he also contributes to society by simply being a much valued member of his family and local community.

Its not means tested which is even worse. Why am i funding well.off people with pip

Exactly. I've always been very aware of that. DH is too. I don't know why more people don't realise it.

https://www.scope.org.uk/campaigns/extra-costs/disability-price-tag-2023

Scope found that on average the extra cost per disabled household a month was £975.

higher rate PIP (care and mobility) works out about £730 a month, that’s for the most disabled people. So the “income” doesn’t cover the costs of the disability for many.

Yes, everyone loves the money off ones you can get for various things....
Imagine only being able to use those, and not cash. It would remove any choice you have.
You don't have a voucher for your favourite supermarket? Tough. You have to use the one the government has chosen for you.

From what I understand it's a horrible process applying for it. Yes I'm sure some wealthy people do but I imagine lots of the wealthiest won't bother putting themselves through it.

Also, where does it end? By your argument, why should the childfree and childless fund other people's children? I don't just mean child benefit. I mean schools and healthcare.

It's not worth engaging with with floundering Tory spadbots and honking sealions.

Then maybe you should ask to take your wages in vouchers?

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

Take my son. He uses a wheelchair. This wheelchair has to be absolutely bespoke and tailored to him - if not, using it will increase the risk of him dislocating joints. His condition means that he dislocates something partially or completely on a daily basis, so this matters a lot. So imagine his wheelchair needs replacing - they do wear out - or needs new wheels, or needs repairs. He gets a voucher - and the company which provides his wheelchair do not take it, because they are based in France and accepting vouchers costs them money.

Get it now? (I suspect not). People with disabilities are individuals, with individual needs. A voucher system that would seamlessly cover all of those needs would cost far more to administer than it would save; this should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.

So the only reason to bring in a voucher system would be to punish people for being disabled. Since you mentioned people using their benefits for 'booze and fags', I'm going to assume you love the idea of punishing people for being disabled. Prove me wrong.

Unkind to sealions - they at least serve a useful purpose in the ecosystem.

For hypothetical scenarios sake what would you do with your vouchers where would you spend them?

Well off people Which well off people are you talking about ? I suspect you are bored and .just like to stir the pot because you are just typing "statements " without foundations

Id buy food . Fuel to muchkeep house warm . When my children were young we went without so much . If someone had given me a voucher for anything I'd of been soo grateful

Well off peopld who earn enough for basics and extras .sorry not bored up at 5.30 to work 13 hrs. Actually tired . Vouchers are fine. Whats the issue .

By your arguments on this thread, why should someone who's disabled and childfree/childless and a taxpayer have funded your children? And they did fund them. Child benefit, and paying for their schooling and your maternity care.

Obviously all disabled people pay tax as everyone pays tax. But for example, someone who's got no kids and who worked for several decades before becoming disabled. They funded your children and yet now they need support you want to deny them basic dignity.

Not that I think it should be reduced to who's paid more or who 'deserves' funding. I'm just pointing out the road you're going down with your argument.