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Thread 49 Sunak: He Left them on the beaches

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DuncinToffee · 12/06/2024 18:43

3 Weeks to go Wine

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newnamethanks · 13/06/2024 08:50

Don't panic! Yet.

Bigcoatlady · 13/06/2024 08:50

I have always assumed the reason journalists write so much about AI is they worry it could replace them and this kind of thing does rather prove the point

prettybird · 13/06/2024 09:11

Dh is getting bored with me chuntering on about the way that the English British public has been gaslit about the dreadfulness of immigration Hmm

Proper academic, peer reviewed studies demonstrated that EU citizens who came to the UK were net contributors to the UK economy Confused So of course losing them has had a detrimental effect on growth - and is in itself contributing to the higher tax load. Shock

Plus of course the negative impact of Brexit Sad

Many of the immigrants that we're now needing are low paid, so won't themselves add much to the economy.

The UK is not "full". What successive governments have not done is invest in basic infrastructure (schools, roads, rail, housing....) that that net contribution of EU immigrants should have been used for. Confused And then used the inevitable strain on services to demonise immigrants Angry

This has been a choice Angry

Scotland, for example, is not full. A report recently suggested that a quarter of schools in the Highlands & Islands in the coming not many years may have to be closed thanks to falling school rolls. The same thing is apparently happening in some areas of England.

We have an aging population: who is going to earn on behalf of the country let alone wipe our bums? Confused

Ds took the train to London yesterday: a long day trip with one of his clients who was visiting the civil service department that they deal with (who at least at the moment don't have their political masters on their backs Wink) and also got given a tour of both houses of the Palace of Westminster.

He came back (getting muggins Wink to pick him up from the train station and drop him off at his flat - but it was good 'cos I got a chance to chat with him) saying a) how incredibly small Parliament is and b) how beautiful the country (both of them that he went through Wink) is - and how much countryside there is - and how good the train is for getting a feel for that (and how helicopters and private jets insulate the party leaders from that).

Thingscanonlygetsunk · 13/06/2024 09:32

prettybird · 13/06/2024 09:11

Dh is getting bored with me chuntering on about the way that the English British public has been gaslit about the dreadfulness of immigration Hmm

Proper academic, peer reviewed studies demonstrated that EU citizens who came to the UK were net contributors to the UK economy Confused So of course losing them has had a detrimental effect on growth - and is in itself contributing to the higher tax load. Shock

Plus of course the negative impact of Brexit Sad

Many of the immigrants that we're now needing are low paid, so won't themselves add much to the economy.

The UK is not "full". What successive governments have not done is invest in basic infrastructure (schools, roads, rail, housing....) that that net contribution of EU immigrants should have been used for. Confused And then used the inevitable strain on services to demonise immigrants Angry

This has been a choice Angry

Scotland, for example, is not full. A report recently suggested that a quarter of schools in the Highlands & Islands in the coming not many years may have to be closed thanks to falling school rolls. The same thing is apparently happening in some areas of England.

We have an aging population: who is going to earn on behalf of the country let alone wipe our bums? Confused

Ds took the train to London yesterday: a long day trip with one of his clients who was visiting the civil service department that they deal with (who at least at the moment don't have their political masters on their backs Wink) and also got given a tour of both houses of the Palace of Westminster.

He came back (getting muggins Wink to pick him up from the train station and drop him off at his flat - but it was good 'cos I got a chance to chat with him) saying a) how incredibly small Parliament is and b) how beautiful the country (both of them that he went through Wink) is - and how much countryside there is - and how good the train is for getting a feel for that (and how helicopters and private jets insulate the party leaders from that).

Roads generally have built up areas next to them, or on motorways you often can't see the countryside, so even those who drive probably are unaware of how much space there really is. And given the government has been determined to make agriculture unprofitable one might as well use some of the land for housing etc.

prettybird · 13/06/2024 09:37

I know we don't want to build on agriculture/countryside but there are an awful lot of brownfield sites that are not being used. Confused

And lots of existing housing not being used/refurbished Sad

Lalgarh · 13/06/2024 09:53

It's interesting that this morning on R4 Today Amol Rajan was grilling Labour enforcer Pat McFadden on why aren't they interested in revising council tax bands/ property taxation in general

DuncinToffee · 13/06/2024 09:54

Where we live a lot of fields have been turned into small housing estates and a bit further afield, a lot of former military land has been used the same way.

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Eve · 13/06/2024 09:59

prettybird · 13/06/2024 09:37

I know we don't want to build on agriculture/countryside but there are an awful lot of brownfield sites that are not being used. Confused

And lots of existing housing not being used/refurbished Sad

where I live there is a huge town centre brownfield site owned by a developer with planning permission not being built on. The council have tried for years to force them to progress development but have no powers to make them or to do a compulsory purchase and the developer does just enough to keep planning live.

Its a source of huge frustration all round especially as there is a lot of building on greenfield sites on the outskirts of the town.

tobee · 13/06/2024 10:13

Agreed @prettybird especially re immigration.

I'm surprised Alastair Heath doesn't need to be hospitalised with rampant high blood pressure. The absolute rage!

pointythings · 13/06/2024 10:14

Eve · 13/06/2024 09:59

where I live there is a huge town centre brownfield site owned by a developer with planning permission not being built on. The council have tried for years to force them to progress development but have no powers to make them or to do a compulsory purchase and the developer does just enough to keep planning live.

Its a source of huge frustration all round especially as there is a lot of building on greenfield sites on the outskirts of the town.

This is land banking, and it needs to be legislated against.

SerendipityJane · 13/06/2024 10:17

I reckon Rish! has done a Trading Places style £1 bet with someone that he can lose the election without anyone noticing.

tobee · 13/06/2024 10:21

Thinking more about immigration narrative being pushed by so many it's the classic far right creating the bogey man foreigner to blame all your ills on; to distract from the fact that your government is responsible and doesn't want you to get in the way of the system continuing to run for them and their mates.

It's all just a massive smokescreen.

SerendipityJane · 13/06/2024 10:24

I am so happy this is all happening to the Tories as karma for Brexit. It seems a fair price to pay in the long run. Admittedly not by me. But then Brexit wasn't paid for by the Tories, but with the futures of our young.

tobee · 13/06/2024 10:25

Re last night Sky News event, just catching up on the reporting (obviously Sky going with it majorly) did Starmer come over as relaxed at any point? Should he have done? It was all "startled at being called a robot" and not saying much about policies etc in the reports.

Igotjelly · 13/06/2024 10:29

tobee · 13/06/2024 10:25

Re last night Sky News event, just catching up on the reporting (obviously Sky going with it majorly) did Starmer come over as relaxed at any point? Should he have done? It was all "startled at being called a robot" and not saying much about policies etc in the reports.

I thought he seemed generally relaxed. He was laughing along with Beth Rigby when she commented on being time restricted etc. and engaged well with the audience. I though generally his stuff on policies was perhaps a little lacking but that’ll be partly the avoid taking the sting out of the manifesto launch today.

Igotjelly · 13/06/2024 10:29

Sunak on the other hand was a disgrace, particularly considering they went so much easier on him.

tobee · 13/06/2024 10:30

SerendipityJane · 13/06/2024 10:24

I am so happy this is all happening to the Tories as karma for Brexit. It seems a fair price to pay in the long run. Admittedly not by me. But then Brexit wasn't paid for by the Tories, but with the futures of our young.

How many times have we heard of the likely demise of Labour or the Tories? First time I feel it could really happen to one of them.

And it's all because, according to Alastair Heath, because they have tried to be too Blairite. Nothing to do with totally abandoning their moderates - no no no! But because they are trying to be Farage/Reform lite!

DuncinToffee · 13/06/2024 10:30

More bad news for Sunak this morning

New data shows hospital waiting lists in England just rose for the first time in seven months.
Not a massive rise (1.4% between Mar and Apr) but nonetheless the biggest increase in more than a year, in a metric he pledged to bring down

Thread 49 Sunak: He Left them on the beaches
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tobee · 13/06/2024 10:31

Igotjelly · 13/06/2024 10:29

Sunak on the other hand was a disgrace, particularly considering they went so much easier on him.

Sorry can you say specifically why he was a disgrace?

Igotjelly · 13/06/2024 10:35

tobee · 13/06/2024 10:31

Sorry can you say specifically why he was a disgrace?

One example - saying that NHS waiting lists are long because of doctors going on strike.

Another example - being unable to comprehend that increasing the value at which a first time buyer pays stamp duty to over £400k will have zero impact on 99.9% of first time buyers. Not to mention not acknowledging that this is nothing more than an extension of an existing temp policy.

In general he took absolutely no responsibility for the mess that he and his peers have created.

SerendipityJane · 13/06/2024 10:42

DuncinToffee · 13/06/2024 10:30

More bad news for Sunak this morning

New data shows hospital waiting lists in England just rose for the first time in seven months.
Not a massive rise (1.4% between Mar and Apr) but nonetheless the biggest increase in more than a year, in a metric he pledged to bring down

That needs to be distributed on one of those "special" graphs they use where 0.0000001% covers 2 sheets of A4.

SerendipityJane · 13/06/2024 10:43

Another example - being unable to comprehend that increasing the value at which a first time buyer pays stamp duty to over £400k will have zero impact on 99.9% of first time buyers.

To be fair VAT on caviar was scrapped too.

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/06/2024 10:48

BIossomtoes · 13/06/2024 08:49

It reminded me of John Laurie rushing about crying “We’re doomed!”.

That's exactly what I thought when I read it. We're Doomed. Doomed I tell you.
😆

tobee · 13/06/2024 10:54

Thank you @Igotjelly

SerendipityJane · 13/06/2024 11:18

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