Thread 49 Sunak: He Left them on the beaches

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Tories merge with Reform

Despite the pigs ear the Tories have made of everything, why would their members give up membership with all the policy and personnel power it brings for a subscription to the Nigel Farage Fan Club ?

Tory MPs may well be happy to do so - they have already sold their souls. But the grass roots members ?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/leaked-whatsapps-expose-secret-plot-33037068

Parents planning to disrupt labours VAT plans on private school fees by pretending they will remove their children even if they don’t plan to. Who would have guessed?

Well that plot’s not going to work now the secret’s out.

Wasn't that "the plan" on MN two weeks ago ? Not sure how "secret" and "leaked" that counts as.

There is a MN thread on it, started last week

There's been about 3!

I’ve missed them. I hope someone with a modicum of intelligence has pointed out how stupid it is.

Ofcourse there are

I ignore most of those threads now

Especially as the WhatsApp repeatedly mentions a union that hasn't existed for years!

I think I hid them without reading in the end. It got a bit ridiculous at one point last week and it was clogging up active.

The wealthy will do anything at all to increase their riches or to avoid losing any of it.
Always claiming they are sooooo soooo poor.

Hmm maybe private education isn’t all it’s cracked up to be if they missed this vital detail.

I fear an endorsement from the 🤡 may not be the advantage this Tory candidate thinks it is. The absolute state of him 😬

Why?

1. After a crushing defeat, they see it as a way back to power
2. They think " ah, that's where we (the Conservatives) went wrong- we weren't Conservative/ free market/far right/ enough"
3. They genuinely believe that the taxes they have to pay are unfair/ what's holding our country back
4. They voted for the 'fairytale' Liz Truss economics, and still believe in it
5. They have virtually no connection to the disenchantment/despair/ no hope of the younger half of our population, whose prospects are so limited.

Farage has essentially been waiting for a new situation of anger/ left behind/ , similar to the post austerity anger that enabled Brexit to happen, as a huge 'up yours' protest vote.
Facists trade on anger, and protests against the status quo.

Think I'm exaggerating/ being 'right on' using the term 'Fascist' ?

I wish.
One in ten of the Reform candidates is a follower of Gary Raikes
( and that's just the percentage who didn't clean up their social media)

Who he?
GR is the leader of The New British Union, the desendants of Moseley's British Union of Facsists, the lot who held huge facsist rallies pre WW2, before UK decided which side it was on.
The New British Union has called for a “fascist revolution” and wants to replace parliament with a dictatorship, the Times writes.

This is who is rising.
Not funny cartoonish Conservatives losing their seats.

People harnessing the anger and despair of large setions of the country, and who would prefer a 'strong leader' to a parliamentary democracy.

Hyperbole?
Around 18% of us are looking to vote for a 'party' that has no relationship to democracy. Is not a party, is privately owned, has a past tainted by foreign money interference.

Be afraid.

Given that the predecessor constituency was a Labour one albeit marginal with the Conservatives , I don't think she has a snowball's chance in hell - and even less so after using that "endorsement" and that photo

And if Trump wins in America, he'll cut off support for Ukraine.
Last year it looked like Ukraine would sucessfully defend itself. Not so much, now.
Anti Russian sanctions haven't worked, their economy is fine.

Ukraine may fall.

Russia will be at the gates of Europe.
And spending money on subverting public opinion.

Remember the Reform candidate who said Uk would have been better not fighting Hitler? Not denied by Reform HQ?

Two weeks ago I was relishing the forthcoming Tory election night bingo.
Now, the world that's emerging into view seems almost infinitely darker.

I'm more optimistic than that. All the noise around Reform is really just that - noise. Its amplified at present because the Prime Miniature has given up trying to win, and Starmer doesn't need to do much. That leaves Ed Davey's stunts which after a while get dull, so the press, together with a dubious army of bots is filling pages with talk of Reform Ltd. It'll blow over. Farage will lose interest as he has done in the past.

@Thingscanonlygetsunk

I would love you to be right.

My gut feeling says otherwise.

I think he’ll get bored very quickly too. He’ll start by being disruptive and disrespectful and will be put back in his box very firmly. Then he’ll have a period of sullenness like a sulky teenager, then he’ll just stop turning up. He’ll be a forgotten irrelevance by the next election.

They are getting more desperate

https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/1802811007133217166

Boris Johnson is being drafted in by the Tories to play a more active role in the election campaign

Tens of thousands of letters signed by Boris landing on doormats this week in a targeted mail-out

Also recent chats about in person campaigning

Reform is never going to attract the body of centrist Conservatives who are likely to be holding their nose and voting Labour, Lib Dem or Green this time around. They will want to go back to the party if they can sort themselves out and get rid of the idiots and the fascists. They can certainly make it difficult for the Conservatives to get back into office, but I doubt that they can wipe them out.

Have they not noticed that their current troubles are firmly rooted in the mess that he started?

I was thinking about this further and worked out the answer to my own question. I'm sure that their response would be to put in place their very own version of the workhouse.

I agree. Farage is not going to appeal to the One Nation Tories.

I also think that if Reform really did become a political threat, our young people would become more politically galvanised to fight back.

I certainly think they’ve forgotten that the real reason they got rid of him was because he was unpopular with the public and they were worried about their seats in a GE.