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Thread 49 Sunak: He Left them on the beaches

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DuncinToffee · 12/06/2024 18:43

3 Weeks to go Wine

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fabio12 · 16/06/2024 22:03

pointythings · 16/06/2024 21:58

Oh @fabio12 that's truly awful. I wish you the very best of outcomes - he won't get what he wants, but the anxiety must be horrific.

The one thing my late husband did right was defer the complete destruction of our relationship until the DC were old enough to make it very clear that they wanted to live 100% with me. He didn't even try to get contact (they would have refused).

Small mercies I guess. Time is a great healer but it can be hard to forgive the thoughtlessness. He took me to Court when she was 1 saying he never wanted to see her and asking the judge to stop making him give maintenance payments - the Court is his stage unfortunately. I wish I could have warned them (he filled the form with wrong birthdays, wrong school...) it will be such a waste of their time.

Anyway, some guys are doing it right. It can be done.

fabio12 · 16/06/2024 22:17

Don't think I saw anyone posting this earlier - she was pretty blatant with expenses cheating and it reminded me of our discussions about what they've kept hidden https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2jj2dn75jpo

Laura Anne Jones

Conservative Laura Anne Jones expenses probe taken seriously - MS

A Tory colleague says detail of expenses messages must be understood "before appropriate action".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2jj2dn75jpo

CassieMaddox · 16/06/2024 22:43

pointythings · 16/06/2024 21:27

@CassieMaddox DS is 21. My husband died in August 2018. He dived into the bottle in the spring of 2011 when DS was 8. The memories of the good times are probably still there, but he can't access them because he's had such a layer of bad memories on top of it all.

Flowers to everyone who is having a tough time or facing tough anniversaries.

Oh bless him. It's hard. It's not the same, but I divorced when my 20yr old was 13 and he says all he can remember is us arguing. Which isn't the case - we had happy times too. I think all one can do is validate their feelings and see it as protective for him. They are still so young and it's probably easier psychologically to be black/white rather than shades of grey. I think/hope that the young'uns become less judgemental once they have experienced their own share of "bad choices". It's a testament to you and your mothering that you know how he feels x

CassieMaddox · 16/06/2024 22:45

fabio12 · 16/06/2024 21:49

Ah, me too then. Feral sounds about right!
Tough day here too - my dad's not much cop and is sulking (4 months and counting) and dd's dad is taking me to Court to try to get full custody of her next month maintenance from me. She has met him 5 times and is petrified despite me trying to reassure her. I'm sure it can't happen and he is just doing it to upset me but it's giving her anxiety neither of us need and Courts are so stretched we've yet to even talk to Cafcass or anyone about what to expect.

I'm making sure I spend time today messaging the good dads I know, to compensate and let them know I see them doing it right. Wine To all who need it tonight!

Your ex can fuck right off. I hate men who do that. All about them, not about their children. Flowers for you and DD xx

IClaudine · 16/06/2024 22:51

Oh, sending love to all of you struggling in one way or another.

My own dad has been gone for over 20 years now. I think about him a lot and there are so many things I wish I had asked him. I think he might have had some trauma from serving in WWII, but like lots of men he never, ever talked about it.

Zonder · 16/06/2024 22:53

pointythings · 16/06/2024 18:51

My DS is really struggling this Father's Day. He has virtually no memories of the time when my late husband was a good dad and we had good times, before the alcohol took over. The memories of the bad times are still so vivid. His older sibling does have some of those good memories. It's really tough.

So sorry x

Zonder · 16/06/2024 23:12

Evenstar · 16/06/2024 21:07

@CassieMaddox he hasn’t got a blue tick so I believe that means you can’t edit, I noticed he had the same paragraph twice in the original, try this https://x.com/i_iratus/status/1802427778584674328?s=61&t=xKCXjKa1-S6Ks0nSd_LXGg

Wow!

tobee · 17/06/2024 02:42

Best wishes to all today (yesterday technically) with Father's Day especially if it brings sad or tricky memories and thoughts.

My own df has dementia and his memory is mixed. He always had such good tales to tell and shaggy dog stories to relate. And I'm worrying about them being lost forever if I don't take care. What exactly his father, my grandfather did in the war, his uncles etc. Where he met his great friend Alex from years ago, who df says introduced him to Guinness and socialism (!). Was it in the RAF where df did National Service? Those things that I've heard but forgotten the detail. It doesn't matter really but I've always been able to rely on df to let me know so much information.

itsgettingweird · 17/06/2024 06:29

pointythings · 16/06/2024 21:27

@CassieMaddox DS is 21. My husband died in August 2018. He dived into the bottle in the spring of 2011 when DS was 8. The memories of the good times are probably still there, but he can't access them because he's had such a layer of bad memories on top of it all.

Flowers to everyone who is having a tough time or facing tough anniversaries.

Flowers

That's tough for you all.

itsgettingweird · 17/06/2024 06:31

Ds who his 19 hasn't seen his father since he was 2.

He doesn't seem to mind and celebrates my dad who has been instrumental in being a father figure for him.

newnamethanks · 17/06/2024 07:21

That is a name that makes me mistrust him without knowing anything else about him.

Lalgarh · 17/06/2024 07:59

newnamethanks · 17/06/2024 07:21

That is a name that makes me mistrust him without knowing anything else about him.

Someone once said Twice had the demeanor of a serial Romeo conman who swindled widows out of their inheritances in seaside towns.

Would probably be called StClair Armstrong too

newnamethanks · 17/06/2024 08:05

Nicely summarised 😀

Lalgarh · 17/06/2024 08:10

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1802466150418087954?t=SmYSecDXuKn-8eNzoACbdA&s=19

" NEW: Rishi Sunak is being urged by cabinet ministers to launch more personal attacks on Keir Starmer to save as many seats as possible " (The Times)

As part of the above, Grant Shapps (which autocorrects to shops. I meant Richard TICE upthread btw) was on BBC breakfast just now and hammering on about the threat of labour revaluing council tax bands, even though it's not in the labour manifesto.

Paradoxically this might actually start a conversation on this being carried out or at least considered

x.com

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1802466150418087954?t=SmYSecDXuKn-8eNzoACbdA&s=19

Lalgarh · 17/06/2024 08:13

It's the Reform launch today. Farage on R4 Today. He's just had a pop at Braverman , so the attempted embrace has been rebuffed

Piggywaspushed · 17/06/2024 08:26

newnamethanks · 17/06/2024 07:21

That is a name that makes me mistrust him without knowing anything else about him.

Yeah, it's like a parody , isn't it??

I suspect his real name is Gary.

Piggywaspushed · 17/06/2024 08:29

Grant John Maxwell StClair- Armstrong, no less - ex Tory councillor , presumably when he posted the comments. Ex RAF (natch).

Lived in Turkey until 2019! Singing in hotels.

Notonthestairs · 17/06/2024 08:29

That Times article is deluded. Starmer as the same sort of grifter as say Johnson and Truss for... being a human rights lawyer and supporting the then leader of the Labour party.

As if the majority of the Conservative party haven't perjured themselves over the last eight years - Oven ready Brexit, there were no parties, whoops I lost my Whatsapps, whoops I took part in intimidating MPs on the Privileges Committee, whoops I forgot to vote on the Privileges Committee report, Truss isn't under a table, Paterson did nothing wrong, I didn't employ my mistress, I didn't pay my mistress, I dont know what shares my wife owns and on and on.

Notonthestairs · 17/06/2024 08:30

Piggywaspushed · 17/06/2024 08:29

Grant John Maxwell StClair- Armstrong, no less - ex Tory councillor , presumably when he posted the comments. Ex RAF (natch).

Lived in Turkey until 2019! Singing in hotels.

Classic.

Piggywaspushed · 17/06/2024 08:30

Where he was scammed by some Dutch people. Honestly, you couldn't do a better job of making this up!

He has a whole website in Comic sans about it.

Lalgarh · 17/06/2024 08:39

Piggywaspushed · 17/06/2024 08:29

Grant John Maxwell StClair- Armstrong, no less - ex Tory councillor , presumably when he posted the comments. Ex RAF (natch).

Lived in Turkey until 2019! Singing in hotels.

Something of the Swiss Toni about him.

Shapes now on r4 today being asked about whether they are doing personal attacks. Mishal Hussain asking him about farage and reform... And he's not even mentioning him

Notonthestairs · 17/06/2024 08:43

Well if the Conservatives won't challenge Farage they deserve to lose to Reform.

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dontcallmelen · 17/06/2024 09:22

Definitely something of Swiss Toni about him.

💐everyone who found yesterday a difficult day missing those we loved or still dealing with the aftermath of those who’s behaviour fell very short of what a father should be, I’m truly sorry.

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