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Thread 49 Sunak: He Left them on the beaches

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DuncinToffee · 12/06/2024 18:43

3 Weeks to go Wine

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prettybird · 16/06/2024 19:29

I think I specifically addressed the concerns/comments in my posts Confused

a) I never said anything about being more "ethical" (unless having a greater sense of community = ) more ethical Hmm, just that it was different to England. I also said that in the intervening years, it's no longer still so strongly the case.

These comments were my contribution to why I think Scotland is more consistently left wing than England - which was a question that was asked on here and which is a matter of public record given the election results over the years.

b) I also explicitly stated that if we were independent, we wouldn't be able to blame others (like Westminster) for things that go wrong. We would have to own them - whereas at the moment it's too easy to blame Westminster for the lack of pocket money funding via the block grant. As a taxi driver once said to ds, if we make mistakes, they'll be our fuck-ups. Wink And if we don't like the government, we can change it.

(As an aside I do have concerns about a uni-cameras parliament that was designed assuming coalition governments, with committees providing the checks & balances - but when there's a single party with an overall majority, there's no proper oversight Hmm).

We can't blame immigrants as we need more - John Swinney and Stephen Flynn have been explicit about this (and it was also discussed in the Indyref document "Scotland's Future") . We have an aging population and have areas that are actually depopulating Shock Immigrants on average are net contributors to the economy and as such, would help drive growth Confused (Something that should have been explained better before and since the EU Referendum and not allowed the ERG/Farage/Bravermanns of this world drive the toxic conversation Sad)

I live in an area with a very high proportion of immigrants Smile Ds' primary school was over 60% EAL (English as an Additional Language). I'm proud of the fact that when the BNP tried to exploit a horrific racially aggravated murder perpetrated by Asians in the neighbourhood (and to give Anas Sarwar's father - who had been a Labour MP in the area - his due, he arranged the lads' extradition from Pakistan), the murdered boy's own mother told them to Get Tae Fuck and they never gained a foothold Smile

Not saying everything is (or will/would be Wink) perfect though.

But I do have an NHS dentist, can get a GP appointment within a week (telephone within a day - slightly longer if you want a specific GP, dh is getting his hip replaced next week in a top class orthopaedic hospital (he's waited a year since the orthopaedic surgeon agreed that he should actively go on the list and 2 years since he was sort of on it - but that's because he was still running around refereeing youth rugby games and they were therefore reluctant to do it. We still managed to walk >20,000 steps a day in Madeira in March Smile), have used the pharmacist to get (free) antibiotic eye drops (so saving a visit to the GP), ds' girlfriend got seen within a hour at A&E (and saw the GP the following day).

I do get pissed off at the potholes though Grin

itsgettingweird · 16/06/2024 19:32

Zonder · 16/06/2024 10:39

I get the feeling we are mostly Gen X in here - or am I projecting what I am onto everyone else?

I'm just about gen x - born in 1980!

user8800 · 16/06/2024 19:37

pointythings · 16/06/2024 19:09

I love you all.

Back atcha x

prettybird · 16/06/2024 19:37

That's so difficult @pointythings Sad

I hope you're able to ease your ds' pain. Maybe not for today, but are there any nice pictures of the good times you could share with him, so that that can be something positive for him? Sort of help to implant better memories.

I've struggled today as not only did my lovely dad die unexpectedly and suddenly last August, it would also have been my mum's birthday Sad

But at least I have good memories of them both to hang on to.

cardibach · 16/06/2024 19:39

@pointythings ❤️ 💐

cardibach · 16/06/2024 19:40

CassieMaddox · 16/06/2024 18:49

Oh the whole article not just that picture. I had a recent bereavement (not my dad thankfully) so I'm a bit sensitive about family just now

Sorry about that @CassieMaddox

Saucery · 16/06/2024 19:51

Flowers for those finding today hard.

user8800 · 16/06/2024 20:25

My lovely dad died suddenly and unexpectedly on holiday 10 years ago next month.

I did cpr, but failed.

He left us much too soon.

I find some days hard tbh, but I have nice memories of a dad who loved me.

Thoughts to all those struggling today x

Zonder · 16/06/2024 20:26

DuncinToffee · 16/06/2024 17:30

I haven't seen that thread so it wasn't me, Blossomtoes or iClaudine are more likely to post that.

Sorry I meant someone had posted it on one of our threads and I wondered if it was you.

Zonder · 16/06/2024 20:27

BIossomtoes · 16/06/2024 17:39

It wasn’t me. I remember seeing it and I really wish I’d saved it. Just found something very similar though.

https://www.shrewsburylabour.org.uk/labours-top-50-achievements/

Edited

That's it! Thanks!

Evenstar · 16/06/2024 20:27

💐 for those finding today hard, my first DH died in 2008 so my three children find it difficult and my own Dad died 10 years ago.

Just wanted to recommend a Twitter account to those of you who have it, Bear Facts, here is his demolition of Bill Cash’s claim that we’ve never had it so good 🙄 https://x.com/i_iratus/status/1802417872112701653?s=61&t=xKCXjKa1-S6Ks0nSd_LXGg

BIossomtoes · 16/06/2024 20:45

Zonder · 16/06/2024 20:27

That's it! Thanks!

My pleasure 💐

CassieMaddox · 16/06/2024 20:56

pointythings · 16/06/2024 18:51

My DS is really struggling this Father's Day. He has virtually no memories of the time when my late husband was a good dad and we had good times, before the alcohol took over. The memories of the bad times are still so vivid. His older sibling does have some of those good memories. It's really tough.

I'm so sorry pointy. How old is DS? Flowers

CassieMaddox · 16/06/2024 20:57

prettybird · 16/06/2024 19:37

That's so difficult @pointythings Sad

I hope you're able to ease your ds' pain. Maybe not for today, but are there any nice pictures of the good times you could share with him, so that that can be something positive for him? Sort of help to implant better memories.

I've struggled today as not only did my lovely dad die unexpectedly and suddenly last August, it would also have been my mum's birthday Sad

But at least I have good memories of them both to hang on to.

Sorry to read this too pretty Flowers

CassieMaddox · 16/06/2024 20:58

user8800 · 16/06/2024 20:25

My lovely dad died suddenly and unexpectedly on holiday 10 years ago next month.

I did cpr, but failed.

He left us much too soon.

I find some days hard tbh, but I have nice memories of a dad who loved me.

Thoughts to all those struggling today x

And some for you Flowers x

CassieMaddox · 16/06/2024 21:02

Evenstar · 16/06/2024 20:27

💐 for those finding today hard, my first DH died in 2008 so my three children find it difficult and my own Dad died 10 years ago.

Just wanted to recommend a Twitter account to those of you who have it, Bear Facts, here is his demolition of Bill Cash’s claim that we’ve never had it so good 🙄 https://x.com/i_iratus/status/1802417872112701653?s=61&t=xKCXjKa1-S6Ks0nSd_LXGg

It's been deleted 😯

Evenstar · 16/06/2024 21:07

@CassieMaddox he hasn’t got a blue tick so I believe that means you can’t edit, I noticed he had the same paragraph twice in the original, try this https://x.com/i_iratus/status/1802427778584674328?s=61&t=xKCXjKa1-S6Ks0nSd_LXGg

CassieMaddox · 16/06/2024 21:12

Evenstar · 16/06/2024 21:07

@CassieMaddox he hasn’t got a blue tick so I believe that means you can’t edit, I noticed he had the same paragraph twice in the original, try this https://x.com/i_iratus/status/1802427778584674328?s=61&t=xKCXjKa1-S6Ks0nSd_LXGg

Thank you!
I cannot believe the Tories aren't thinking maybe they need to change tack with this absolute drubbing coming their way. "Never Had It So Good" Confused

RafaistheKingofClay · 16/06/2024 21:15

Flowers For everyone who needs them today.

I’m on the cusp too @itsgettingweird. I think we can also be known as xennials.

DeadButDelicious · 16/06/2024 21:19

I think I'm classed as a Xennial, born in 1982. Apparently we are feral. I can believe that 😂😂.

Lots of love to all those finding today hard. Flowers

pointythings · 16/06/2024 21:27

@CassieMaddox DS is 21. My husband died in August 2018. He dived into the bottle in the spring of 2011 when DS was 8. The memories of the good times are probably still there, but he can't access them because he's had such a layer of bad memories on top of it all.

Flowers to everyone who is having a tough time or facing tough anniversaries.

RafaistheKingofClay · 16/06/2024 21:29

DeadButDelicious · 16/06/2024 21:19

I think I'm classed as a Xennial, born in 1982. Apparently we are feral. I can believe that 😂😂.

Lots of love to all those finding today hard. Flowers

77-83ish for xennials apparently. Didn’t know we were supposed to be feral.

mibbelucieachwell · 16/06/2024 21:41

@prettybird "our fuck ups" sounds like 'regaining sovereignty'.

"our fuck ups" Whose though? By your line of reasoning people in the Highlands and Islands would be justified in campaigning for independence from the central belt . Where would it end? People in Westray wanting independence from Kirkwall so they can make their own mistakes free from the bullying Kirkwall regime?

I don't doubt for a second that you're neither racist nor xenophobic - you inferred from my expression of my worry that any blame for problems might shift to immigrants, but I have no idea who would be blamed. It might be any group. It might be people who didn't vote for independence. It would probably still be Westminster who would get the blame on the grounds of enforcing an unreasonable settlement for a good ten years or so after separation.

Brian Cox (the actor) had an interesting proposition on Laura Kuensberg (sp?) this morning. He was advocating much more devolved government throughout the UK. It wasn't clear what form he'd like this to take though.

As a slightly more general reflection, I am beyond frustrated that the govs of Uk and Scotland have been spending precious time 'doing' Brexit and Scottish independence when there so many more pressing concerns. Climate change, housing, social mobility, poverty, wars, NHS to name but a few. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.

It's so disheartening that the Labour Party seem to be shifting to the right and (Scottish) voters who want a more left wing party have the dilemma of voting for the Greens who favour having another referendum on Scottish independence or the now centrist Labour Party.

To save my sanity I'm trying to hope that Keir Starmer is playing the long game and is quietly intending to be more progressive and radical than he's letting on.

Flowers to everyone missing much loved dads today.

fabio12 · 16/06/2024 21:49

RafaistheKingofClay · 16/06/2024 21:29

77-83ish for xennials apparently. Didn’t know we were supposed to be feral.

Ah, me too then. Feral sounds about right!
Tough day here too - my dad's not much cop and is sulking (4 months and counting) and dd's dad is taking me to Court to try to get full custody of her next month maintenance from me. She has met him 5 times and is petrified despite me trying to reassure her. I'm sure it can't happen and he is just doing it to upset me but it's giving her anxiety neither of us need and Courts are so stretched we've yet to even talk to Cafcass or anyone about what to expect.

I'm making sure I spend time today messaging the good dads I know, to compensate and let them know I see them doing it right. Wine To all who need it tonight!

pointythings · 16/06/2024 21:58

Oh @fabio12 that's truly awful. I wish you the very best of outcomes - he won't get what he wants, but the anxiety must be horrific.

The one thing my late husband did right was defer the complete destruction of our relationship until the DC were old enough to make it very clear that they wanted to live 100% with me. He didn't even try to get contact (they would have refused).

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