Thread 49 Sunak: He Left them on the beaches

[DuncinToffee]

3 Weeks to go

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Labour/reform coalition vanishingly unlikely!

My prediction remains the same:
Tory wipeout, reform get some seats, NF becomes tory leader via enoblement a la DC or he wins in Clacton (possible)

These "new" reform torys lurch ever more to the right and - hopefully - become so toxic that they only win seats in places like Clacton and Grimsby (big leave vote areas).

Labour will not get a landslide next time. They may even end up in an LD/Labour coalition.

The country needs hope, aspiration, vision. Not just "don't worry, we aren't going to change anything".

My Swedish friend would disagree with you

That's not really what it said so I wasn't all that clear. It said Gen X has the broadest range of views, ie feet in every camp. More moderate than Boomers but less progressive than Gen Z and millennials.

There will always be outliers though! I'm very progressive with dashes of moderate but know plenty of people my age are the opposite.

The recent elections went back lefter. Not a word.

An unpopular view, possibly, but I don't think super majorities are good for robust democracy.

Look at the damage De Pfeffle did with his 80 seat majority!

I'm actually scared what labour will do with the kind of majority that is being predicted :(

"It said Gen X has the broadest range of views, ie feet in every camp. More moderate than Boomers but less progressive than Gen Z and millennials. "

So we are more diverse and therefore difficult to market to.

Yes.

Not sure the size of the majority makes that much difference after a certain point. Much depends on party discipline which the Conservatives didn't have.

Ah. Yes. But there's "left" and "left".
She's not feeling that hopeful.

Re: gen x. I know people who don't and have never voted. Maybe some of them voted leave? Some gen x send their kids/gcs to private schools, so that may impact their vote.
We gen Xers are a motley bunch:)

That was indeed the point!

I agree with @fafabio12

Too much pussyfootimg around the shitshow that is brexshit

Time to make clear what a disaster it was...from DC calling the referendum to appease the right wing nutters in his party in the first place, to the Russian interference in our political process...

What a mess :(

But Gen X still tend more towards moderate and progressive viewpoints than Boomers and pre war babies. And, telling the Culture Wars just don't interest most of them.

Do you remember that vote in the HofC?
Ed Milliband played a blinder there!
Therese Coffey (alledgedly) physically attacking MPs to get them through the Aye door!?
Fascinatingly dreadful...

Talking of Gen Z. Oh dear, Suella. Oh dear.

https://x.com/PoliticsMoments/status/1802090458958479863

The fracking vote? Yes that was a sign of the mess. Charles Walker saying that it was pitiful and an absolute disgrace.

And this is the effortlessly cool Labour guy standing against Nige

https://x.com/TabitaSurge/status/1802249677980545409

Sweden has taken a big step back to its traditional left position. Which is centre left. Hard left is not the political home of Sweden.

I'm having a lot of brain fog this morning but if Labour win and need a prop and the choice is Tories or Reform for numbers from 2nd and 3rd...? Would they not have to choose between the two?

SNP
Lib Dems

They also get seats as well.

No, they only need to choose someone who will take the combined seats to over half the house. Could even be a few smaller parties/independents (though it’s easier to only have to deal with one other party). I can see no situation where Labour would ally themselves with Reform (or Tories unless all that’s left are a few One Nation ones, but even then unlikely).

Oh, the other thing the article slightly debunked was that people become right wing as they age - as there isn't much sign of Gen X having done this. It's a specific thing of Boomers.

This may be cheering news for the future. Sorry Boomers. Not wishing you all into your graves.

Yes. There was an east / west&north divide in Europe with the west moving righter and the rest moving lefter. Germany was caught in the middle with their own east west divide.

I get the feeling we are mostly Gen X in here - or am I projecting what I am onto everyone else?

What are you scared of? Gender issues aside. How much damage can a party that believes in investing in public services do after the slash and burn after the last 14 years?

I’m frankly sick of glass half empty or no glass at all posts. We’re about to have a change of government to one that’s not motivated by making itself and its mates richer than Croesus at our expense. That’s a cause for celebration and I’d rather not have my chips pissed on after having waited so long. For the love of God, let me enjoy it for a minute or two.

Gets my vote for his tank top alone.