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Thread 49 Sunak: He Left them on the beaches

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DuncinToffee · 12/06/2024 18:43

3 Weeks to go Wine

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BIossomtoes · 16/06/2024 10:42

Zonder · 16/06/2024 10:39

I get the feeling we are mostly Gen X in here - or am I projecting what I am onto everyone else?

I’m (embarrassingly) a boomer. Please don’t hold it against me.

user8800 · 16/06/2024 10:43

I am gen x and certainly more left wing as I age

Re: boomers : My pils are daily mail reading religious types who have only ever voted tory, despite really disliking the local mp

My mum has always voted Labour... says she probably won't vote this time.

IClaudine · 16/06/2024 10:45

BIossomtoes · 16/06/2024 10:39

What are you scared of? Gender issues aside. How much damage can a party that believes in investing in public services do after the slash and burn after the last 14 years?

I’m frankly sick of glass half empty or no glass at all posts. We’re about to have a change of government to one that’s not motivated by making itself and its mates richer than Croesus at our expense. That’s a cause for celebration and I’d rather not have my chips pissed on after having waited so long. For the love of God, let me enjoy it for a minute or two.

I agree with this. I am not scared of a Labour government. It will be far too moderate but I don't expect some of the evil shit that the Tories are proposing such as Rwanda, the hounding of people with mental health issues and "moderate" disability, taking us out of the ECHR.

I am right at the end of the Boomers. If I'd been born a few months later I would be Gen X.

DuncinToffee · 16/06/2024 10:45

Harry Yorke

Exclusive: Theresa May is to receive a life peerage in Rishi Sunak's Dissolution List

But Richard Sharp, his old boss, has been denied a peerage. No10 was advised not to formally nominate him during private 'scoping' talks with Holac

Sharp was forced to quit as BBC chairman last year after @Gabriel_Pogrund and I revealed his involvement in Boris Johnson's £800,000 loan guarantee

It is understood Holac advised against nominating on this basis, to spare his and Sunak's blushes

Sunak accepted the advice

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user8800 · 16/06/2024 10:46

BIossomtoes · 16/06/2024 10:39

What are you scared of? Gender issues aside. How much damage can a party that believes in investing in public services do after the slash and burn after the last 14 years?

I’m frankly sick of glass half empty or no glass at all posts. We’re about to have a change of government to one that’s not motivated by making itself and its mates richer than Croesus at our expense. That’s a cause for celebration and I’d rather not have my chips pissed on after having waited so long. For the love of God, let me enjoy it for a minute or two.

You'll get to enjoy it.

For a while, anyway.

And - I'll say it again - this isn't a single issue for me.

Labour are totally uninspiring. They will only get in because the tories have done so much damageand are pretty much unelectable. Hardly a ringing endorsement and one which does not fill me with much hope.

But...you do you.

BestIsWest · 16/06/2024 10:48

Zonder · 16/06/2024 10:39

I get the feeling we are mostly Gen X in here - or am I projecting what I am onto everyone else?

Technically I just make it as a tail end Boomer but have never wavered from being a leftie. DH is the same.

IClaudine · 16/06/2024 10:49

Labour should be radical in their proposals for fixing our country. Instead we are getting "don't worry, we won't raise taxes to pay for better public services, NHS and teachers will be no better off, and safeguarding children and women's rights just isn't a priority"

The problem is, the voters of England, arguably the South of England, will decide this GE as they always do. Any thing too radical scares them. See what happened with Corbyn. Starmer gets that,

I wonder if after July 4th Starmer may begin to be more vocal about Brexit?

IClaudine · 16/06/2024 10:50

BestIsWest · 16/06/2024 10:48

Technically I just make it as a tail end Boomer but have never wavered from being a leftie. DH is the same.

Same here!

Saucery · 16/06/2024 10:52

I want to be uninspired! I want a small tut at the small, local scale changes Labour will make. I want a small pay rise and an Ed Sec who doesn’t despise teachers. I want boring road repairs, a playground down the road even though my DS is 20 years too old to go on the swings.
I want any expenses scandals to be so boring and mundane I wonder why they bothered before I fall asleep with boredom.
Uninspiring is fine. Can’t build an ornate bell tower without laying the foundations for the church first. So let’s do that.

Saucery · 16/06/2024 10:54

I also want a local candidate who isn’t in it just for backhanders and backslaps from his rich, landowning mates. Which, fortunately, Labour have delivered on this time round.

BIossomtoes · 16/06/2024 10:55

I’m right in the middle of the boomer generation. I’ve leaned left all my life and am getting more so as I get older. The Starmer government won’t be as radical as I’d
like but really the man’s achieved a miracle. He’s turned the Labour Party from one that suffered its worst defeat for decades to one that might get a landslide in four years. That’s mind blowing. I also think he’s working on a policy of under promise and over deliver because he’s already clear he’s aiming for more than one term.

Piggywaspushed · 16/06/2024 10:57

I'm as Gen X as the come. Smack bang middle.

CassieMaddox · 16/06/2024 10:58

Piggywaspushed · 16/06/2024 10:26

And this is the effortlessly cool Labour guy standing against Nige

https://x.com/TabitaSurge/status/1802249677980545409

I know its shallow but ❤
Nigel looks old fashioned and past it. Hopefully the electorate see it the same way.
(Plus Jovan is a dog lover which is always a good sign)

DuncinToffee · 16/06/2024 10:58

I havejust checked and yes I am a Gen X

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Evenstar · 16/06/2024 11:01

DH and I are officially the last couple of years of the Boomer generation, but are left wing and voted Remain. I was a CND member at university and DH was active in unions all his working life. We joined Labour some years ago and are active in our local branch, we still go on marches eg TUC and Rejoin when we can.

CassieMaddox · 16/06/2024 11:01

I'm gen X too

MrsMurphyIWish · 16/06/2024 11:02

Zonder · 16/06/2024 10:39

I get the feeling we are mostly Gen X in here - or am I projecting what I am onto everyone else?

Gen X as well. I wouldn’t say I’m moderate - definitely left wing feminist. Most my friends are too but I guess we gravitate towards people with similar ideals as ourselves (which is why I was 😮 when the referendum result was Leave). The teachers at my school who are under 30 do not care about politics and can’t be bothered to vote - shocking to me!

user8800 · 16/06/2024 11:03

IClaudine · 16/06/2024 10:49

Labour should be radical in their proposals for fixing our country. Instead we are getting "don't worry, we won't raise taxes to pay for better public services, NHS and teachers will be no better off, and safeguarding children and women's rights just isn't a priority"

The problem is, the voters of England, arguably the South of England, will decide this GE as they always do. Any thing too radical scares them. See what happened with Corbyn. Starmer gets that,

I wonder if after July 4th Starmer may begin to be more vocal about Brexit?

I've said similar to my ds.

He was clear that it's mad to think a politician will change their stripes once elected (see: Trump)

user8800 · 16/06/2024 11:05

Saucery · 16/06/2024 10:54

I also want a local candidate who isn’t in it just for backhanders and backslaps from his rich, landowning mates. Which, fortunately, Labour have delivered on this time round.

My labour candidate hasn't responded to my questions so I've no idea
They also don't live in the constituency

prettybird · 16/06/2024 11:05

I'm a boomer too Blush

I've always been left wing (used to be a strong Labour voter Hmm) - influenced by my parents who were always very political aware (my dad a doctor, my mum a teacher - so the NHS and state education were key for them - and me).

I remember despairing to them in 1992, after the election that Major unexpectedly won, that middle England would never stop being so self-centred and that we were doomed to an eternity of Conservatives (I was living in England at the time) Sad. They told me to have faith and that things would change.

I moved back to Scotland in 1994, to be with now dh. And then 1997 happened Smile

My parents took longer than me to convert to the idea of Scottish independence. For them the Iraq War was the last straw.

BestIsWest · 16/06/2024 11:05

@Saucery you’ve put what I feel perfectly.

user8800 · 16/06/2024 11:06

Anyone got a turnout prediction?

MrsMurphyIWish · 16/06/2024 11:06

I wonder if Gen X’s are more left wing because of growing up under Thatcher, had our late teens and early 20s under Blair but have had most of our working life under austerity?

dontcallmelen · 16/06/2024 11:08

I’m a boomer by a few months, always been left leaning becoming more so as I get older.

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