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Harry Potter plotholes/ goofs that really annoy you

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Aproductofmyera80s · 11/06/2024 19:21

I absolutely love Harry Potter, I watch it twice a year, would watch it more if I had the time. One plothole that gets me every time, so Fred and George had the marauders map all that time and didn’t notice that Ron’s rat was Peter pettigrew?
every time I watch it, it grinds my gears.
any one else notice anything?

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MotherFeministWoman · 11/06/2024 22:33

ohfook · 11/06/2024 19:33

How were the weasleys poor. Surely as a wizard money is pointless because you can just magic stuff up. Like instead of living in a ramshackle old house why didn't they just magically fix/spruce up the house, likewise with the hand me down wizards robes.

Plus the two older boys were working weren't they? In good jobs, and they seem like the kind of family who would financially support each other.

CandyLeBonBon · 11/06/2024 22:33

If you haven't read the books, you should. So much more is explained. Can't wait for the new series

Sprogonthetyne · 11/06/2024 22:34

PianPianPiano · 11/06/2024 21:38

They don't buy the tickets, Arthur Wesley gets them through a work colleague.

Harry gives the twins his winnings from the triwizard tournament that's how they have 30+

He gives them the winnings at the end of the book (way more the 30), but they make a big bet (around 30) at the quidich Cup, so where did they get that?

They presumably they aren't getting pocket money, at least not in those amounts, so maybe selling stuff at school? But then they haven't developed much yet and do the other kids really have enough disposable income to facilitate that? If you accept 1G buys you 5xbooks & cloths for a year & a wand, so equivalent to at least £100, even with second hand. Are any parent really giving their kids more then a couple of G a year.

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PuttingDownRoots · 11/06/2024 22:35

I read the slytherins were sent away so that they wouldn't have to fight their parents

carerlookingtochangejob · 11/06/2024 22:41

echt · 11/06/2024 20:41

Not a plot hole but how does an 11 year-old boy kill another human being (Quirell)with his bare hands without any mental or emotional reactions? I don’t buy it that Voldemort was using Quirrell as a mule made it OK in Harry’s head.

Harry didn't kill Quirel. Voldermort did

carerlookingtochangejob · 11/06/2024 22:44

TheIncredibleBookEatingManchot · 11/06/2024 20:51

Not a plot hole as such, more Harry being unbelievably stupid, but in the book where Sirius dies (can't remember now which one) at the beginning he gives Harry a mirror he can use to contact him. But when Harry thinks Sirius is in danger he doesn't use the mirror, he just goes dashing off to the ministry and Sirius dies because of that. And I just think why? Why have the mirror in the story if it doesn't get used. And even when Harry finds it afterwards he doesn't think, oh I could have used that to check on Sirius instead of going on that dangerous mission that ended in Sirius's death.

Why have that plot device if it's not going to be used and no one even reflects on the irony of it not being used?

He did regret not using it! It's literally in the book! He then throws it in his trunk and smashes it. Which is why he then cuts his hand on it in book seven when he is packing to leave.

YellowHairband · 11/06/2024 22:45

Not really a plothole, but we know that James and Lily were in their early twenties when they died, when Harry was 1.

So the adults who were the same age should be no more than 20/21 years older than Harry. Snape should be in his early thirties in the first film, Lupin and Sirius mid-thirties in the third film. Petunia is younger than Lily so should be late twenties in the first film. The actors are all much older than that. Fiona Shaw was mid forties and Alan Rickman was mid fifties in the first film.
It doesn't irritate me too much because Alan Rickman is perfect in it. But it's a bit annoying.

hummusandchips · 11/06/2024 22:50

Pinkywoo · 11/06/2024 20:15

That right from book one, everyone has been banging on about Harry having his mum's eyes, yet in all the flashbacks her eyes are brown and his are blue!

This drives me nuts!

Bad enough film Harry had blue eyes not green but 'you have yours mother's eyes' - erm...

Whothefuckdoesthat · 11/06/2024 22:53

Not a plot hole, but it bothers me that Aberforth tells Harry that Mundungus told him that Harry would be ‘hacked off’ if he discovered Aberforth had the mirror. It sounds such an unlikely expression for an elderly wizard to use.

Also, Hermione’s parents were in the bookshop in the Chamber of Secrets; who told the muggle parents how to get there? Would someone have to go with them? Or would they go via the pub that no muggles would even have noticed? Same for getting on to platform 9&3/4s.

And why didn’t Harry and Ron just wait five bloody minutes to see if the Weasleys did come back through the wall, rather than immediately steal the car?

And the dress robes! The Yule Ball is held every 4 years at Hogwarts. The Weasleys are aged as follows;

  • Bill Weasley - 1970.
  • Charlie Weasley - 1972.
  • Percy Weasley - 1976.
  • Fred and George Weasley - 1978.
  • Ron Weasley - 1980.
So it’s a reasonable assumption that Bill, Charlie or Percy would also have worn hand me down robes at some point, if not those same robes. So how come Fred & George got decent robes?
carerlookingtochangejob · 11/06/2024 22:53

Itsmychristmasdress · 11/06/2024 21:10

Why didn't hagrid get an official apology when they realised that he didn't open the chamber of secrets fifty years ago? He should have got his wand back with an apology for getting expelled..

Why didn't lily dissaparate with harry when voldemort arrived?

He did. End of book 2.

You can't dissaperate from inside a house protected by a fidalius charm. You have to be just outside the boundary.

echt · 11/06/2024 23:02

ladygindiva · 11/06/2024 22:24

I know a family of three siblings who all have red hair and blue eyes

My red-haired brother and niece have blue eyes - only anecdotal evidence of course and I googled it, yes, it's the rarest combination.

Pudmyboy · 11/06/2024 23:14

BlackLambAndGreyFalcon · 11/06/2024 19:31

I think the point the poster was making was that at the time Hagrid said that to Harry, Sirius was in azkaban and presumed guilty by the entire wizarding world.

Wasn't it Ron who said this, when they were sorted by the Sorting Hat?
Or was that just in the film and not in the book?

Pudmyboy · 11/06/2024 23:21

GwenogJones · 11/06/2024 19:46

The timeturners are a closed loop and they don't actually change anything (and terrible things happen when you do try to change things), they just create more time. Buckbeak never died, the timeturner doesn't save him, it creates the time for Harry and Hermione to free him before he is killed. Macnair always swings his axe in frustration at being robbed of an execution, it's just the first time around Harry and Hermione couldn't see Buckbeak wasn't there... because they had already taken him, they just didn't know that yet. They thought he had been executed but they had already saved him.

They couldn't use the timeturner to stop Sirius or Harry's parents from dying because they actually die in the current timeline. Harry can't go back and change that.

As for the elaborate plot to kidnap Harry in GOF, remember Voldemort does not want anyone to know he has returned. If Harry just randomly disappears one day then the whole wizarding world will be up in arms searching for him, there have already been signs Voldeort is getting stronger - the jig will be up. Harry's death is supposed to look like a tragic accident in the maze - that's why the portkey can return to Hogwarts, Voldemort was always going to kill him and send the body back so no one was the wiser that anything but an accident had happened.

Very succinct explanation! Are you JKR?!

carerlookingtochangejob · 11/06/2024 23:25

YellowHairband · 11/06/2024 22:45

Not really a plothole, but we know that James and Lily were in their early twenties when they died, when Harry was 1.

So the adults who were the same age should be no more than 20/21 years older than Harry. Snape should be in his early thirties in the first film, Lupin and Sirius mid-thirties in the third film. Petunia is younger than Lily so should be late twenties in the first film. The actors are all much older than that. Fiona Shaw was mid forties and Alan Rickman was mid fifties in the first film.
It doesn't irritate me too much because Alan Rickman is perfect in it. But it's a bit annoying.

Petunia was older than Lilly

Pudmyboy · 11/06/2024 23:27

Passmetheaero · 11/06/2024 20:58

Can someone please remind me what crime Sirius was framed for?

Killing Peter Pettigrew

carerlookingtochangejob · 11/06/2024 23:28

Whothefuckdoesthat · 11/06/2024 22:53

Not a plot hole, but it bothers me that Aberforth tells Harry that Mundungus told him that Harry would be ‘hacked off’ if he discovered Aberforth had the mirror. It sounds such an unlikely expression for an elderly wizard to use.

Also, Hermione’s parents were in the bookshop in the Chamber of Secrets; who told the muggle parents how to get there? Would someone have to go with them? Or would they go via the pub that no muggles would even have noticed? Same for getting on to platform 9&3/4s.

And why didn’t Harry and Ron just wait five bloody minutes to see if the Weasleys did come back through the wall, rather than immediately steal the car?

And the dress robes! The Yule Ball is held every 4 years at Hogwarts. The Weasleys are aged as follows;

  • Bill Weasley - 1970.
  • Charlie Weasley - 1972.
  • Percy Weasley - 1976.
  • Fred and George Weasley - 1978.
  • Ron Weasley - 1980.
So it’s a reasonable assumption that Bill, Charlie or Percy would also have worn hand me down robes at some point, if not those same robes. So how come Fred & George got decent robes?

No the Yule ball only happens when the triwizard happens. It hadn't been played in years.
Fred and George bought their own dress robes with money they earned through their various schemes!

BertieBotts · 11/06/2024 23:32

Pudmyboy · 11/06/2024 23:14

Wasn't it Ron who said this, when they were sorted by the Sorting Hat?
Or was that just in the film and not in the book?

No, it was Hagrid. But I think Hagrid saying this was plausible, even though not technically correct. People often have preconceptions and "Slytherin = evil house" is the kind of preconception that sticks with you so you'll write exceptions off as exceptions.

Hagrid did exaggerate/get details wrong on a number of occasions.

whatdidyousaaay · 11/06/2024 23:33

I always thought it was weird that Hagrid and Voldemort must have been like at least 62 years old.

BertieBotts · 11/06/2024 23:38

YellowHairband · 11/06/2024 22:45

Not really a plothole, but we know that James and Lily were in their early twenties when they died, when Harry was 1.

So the adults who were the same age should be no more than 20/21 years older than Harry. Snape should be in his early thirties in the first film, Lupin and Sirius mid-thirties in the third film. Petunia is younger than Lily so should be late twenties in the first film. The actors are all much older than that. Fiona Shaw was mid forties and Alan Rickman was mid fifties in the first film.
It doesn't irritate me too much because Alan Rickman is perfect in it. But it's a bit annoying.

I found this annoying too and I am weird apparently but I really disliked Alan Rickman as Snape, he wasn't anything how I imagined Snape to be. I saw him much thinner, wiry, his hair was too clean.

They did enough CGI in the films, I feel like they could have changed people's eye colour by CGI!

Pudmyboy · 11/06/2024 23:43

BertieBotts · 11/06/2024 23:32

No, it was Hagrid. But I think Hagrid saying this was plausible, even though not technically correct. People often have preconceptions and "Slytherin = evil house" is the kind of preconception that sticks with you so you'll write exceptions off as exceptions.

Hagrid did exaggerate/get details wrong on a number of occasions.

Was this in the book? I would put folding money on Ron saying it to Harry as they were waiting to get Sorted, Malfoy gets Sorted into Slytherin, Ron says 'there wasn't a witch or wizard that went bad that wasn't in Slytherin ' and that helps prompt Harry to keep saying 'anything but Slytherin' when he is under the Sorting Hat.....

GwenogJones · 11/06/2024 23:43

YellowHairband · 11/06/2024 22:45

Not really a plothole, but we know that James and Lily were in their early twenties when they died, when Harry was 1.

So the adults who were the same age should be no more than 20/21 years older than Harry. Snape should be in his early thirties in the first film, Lupin and Sirius mid-thirties in the third film. Petunia is younger than Lily so should be late twenties in the first film. The actors are all much older than that. Fiona Shaw was mid forties and Alan Rickman was mid fifties in the first film.
It doesn't irritate me too much because Alan Rickman is perfect in it. But it's a bit annoying.

All true except Petunia is older than Lily

Harry moved closer to the boy. Snape looked no more than nine or ten years old, sallow, small, stringy. There was undisguised greed in his thin face as he watched the younger of the two girls swinging higher and higher than her sister.

“Lily, don’t do it!” shrieked the elder of the two.

However, in defence of the films, we don't get ages for the parents' generation until DH (their birth dates are on the gravestone) which came out several years after the first film had been made and the actors long since cast. No one knew they were all supposed to be so young until the very end and - as JKR is notoriously poor at maths - she might not have even intended for them to be as young as they ended up... I just can't imagine that she really planned for Lily to be pregnant at 19.

Pudmyboy · 11/06/2024 23:44

(in the film)

GwenogJones · 11/06/2024 23:44

Pudmyboy · 11/06/2024 23:43

Was this in the book? I would put folding money on Ron saying it to Harry as they were waiting to get Sorted, Malfoy gets Sorted into Slytherin, Ron says 'there wasn't a witch or wizard that went bad that wasn't in Slytherin ' and that helps prompt Harry to keep saying 'anything but Slytherin' when he is under the Sorting Hat.....

Yes - it's in the book, during the shopping trip to Diagon Alley. In the film, Ron says it.

GrandTheftWalrus · 11/06/2024 23:46

I have so many posts I need to quote and explain but can't!

Lots of things are explained in the books and lots annoyed me at the time with the books.

Wantedfghj · 11/06/2024 23:46

TheIncredibleBookEatingManchot · 11/06/2024 20:51

Not a plot hole as such, more Harry being unbelievably stupid, but in the book where Sirius dies (can't remember now which one) at the beginning he gives Harry a mirror he can use to contact him. But when Harry thinks Sirius is in danger he doesn't use the mirror, he just goes dashing off to the ministry and Sirius dies because of that. And I just think why? Why have the mirror in the story if it doesn't get used. And even when Harry finds it afterwards he doesn't think, oh I could have used that to check on Sirius instead of going on that dangerous mission that ended in Sirius's death.

Why have that plot device if it's not going to be used and no one even reflects on the irony of it not being used?

It is used, in the Deathly Hallows.

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